See Beehaw’s Post to find out why
kbin.social will also be defederated from beehaw.org, sooner or later.
After all, it has open registration policy and many users too.
Reading their rationale, yes, I think there’s a very good chance they’ll defederate kbin.social as well, sooner or later, regardless of how moderation here works.
#justfediversethings I guess.
Do you know where I can find their rationale - is it posted somewhere still accessible?
Interesting. I support their right to make that decision and I’m glad that’s an option in the Fediverse. I’m not sure I’d want to see that change happening if I were a member of their instance (I haven’t spent enough time there to have an informed opinion about the alleged problems they cite in the post), but I suppose the strength of federation is that users can choose to move to another instance without necessarily losing access to Beehaw’s content. I wonder how this will play out among their userbase?
I’m a Beehaw member; also a kbin member, but I wasn’t able to get on here until tonight because it had been so laggy a few days ago that I’d given kbin up as unusable. To answer your question, I don’t like it but I do understand it. It sounds from what they’ve said that they basically had no choice; they were overwhelmed.
That said, I’m now VERY glad that I have a kbin account. I just re-created my subscription list (including magazines from both of the banned instances) here. I just hope kbin isn’t going to ban them too?
And just in case anyone is wondering: I expect to keep using both Beehaw and kbin (and my other Fediverse accounts, for that matter; I’m on Mastodon, BookWyrm, and Paper.wf). It’s nice to have a low-stress refuge like Beehaw sometimes But I want to be able to access the whole wide world when I choose, too!
I just hope kbin isn’t going to ban them too?
I think it’s more likely that beehaw.org is going to defederate kbin.social as well
If you don’t mind, would you explain why you have bookwyrm and paper.wf since you have mastodon?
What makes those different in your experience? (just looking them up didn’t give me much of a real feel.) I have mastodon and kbin right now since they’re both different.
I never really cottoned to Mastodon, possibly for the same reasons I never took to Twitter. Perhaps I’m just too much of a chatterbox to accept their post length limitations. 😆
Bookwyrm is outstanding for book reviews, and it allowed me to import the CSV of my reviews from GoodReads. If Mastodon can do that, I wasn’t aware of it.
Paper.wf was recommended to me as a Fediverse boxing site. Mastodon is too short-form for me. Beehaw doesn’t seem to have a personal blog as an option. BookWyrm, oddly enough, does - and I just discovered that I can see my BookWyrm blog (called “Direct Messages” there, which really doesn’t make sense) from kbin. I have no idea how that works, since my accounts are separate.
Paper.wf is elegant, but seemingly skimpy on features, though. Currently I can’t figure out how to find other blogs there or follow them, and as far as I can tell there’s no way for anybody to comment on blog entries there. If anyone wants to check out my blog there, here it is. Maybe you can tell me how to comment on entries!
Most support it, although not all. They’ve been clear ask asking that they were trying to build a well-moderated space so it aligns With why most people are there - saw one person say that their first post had been hit by right-wing trolls from one of those instances, so if that’s happening then defederation makes sense.
Are Beehaw some sort of gatekeepers? I mean if you don’t want any interaction outside of your own instance at all because you can’t handle it, why even create an instance on an federated network?
They advertise themselves as a safe space.
being safe and being open are somewhat detrimental to each other.
They choose to be less open, to be more safe.
Fine by me, but I’d expect them to turn into a LGBTQIA+ (is that the current one?) echo chamber before long.
And maybe I’ll be wrong, and that’ll be fine too.
LGBTQIA+ (is that the current one?)
It’s somewhat ironic that this is just the sort of statement that beehaw admins are fed up of moderating away.
Funny to me that people like you always complain about “safe spaces” in the same breath that you make it clear you can’t handle something as irrelevant to you as someone’s sexuality. That’s projecting fragility. These aren’t “safe spaces,” they’re just only allowing decent people who don’t flip their shit when they find out what two consenting adults want to do with their bodies.
That’s the beauty of the Fediverse - everyone gets to make the rules for their own instance, and you choose the instance you want.
There will be widely federated instances, entirely private instances (I’m looking at one for our work intranet) and everything in between.
It would be nicer if account migration were possible so hopefully that becomes a thing someday
It would suck having your account on an instance for 2+years then all of a sudden moderators change and you no longer agree with the instance, but are now stuck there and have to go by the decisions the new mods make or make a new account somewhere else.
some of the first posts i see on kbin from other instances are about a major defederation lol. not ideal since this is happening when the fediverse is growing… but I suppose this is the intent behind the fediverse.
this comment about it is great: https://kbin.social/m/main@sh.itjust.works/t/22433/Beehaw-defederated-us#entry-comment-90015
"I think it’s easy to take this personally but I think it’s more about the moderation tools in Lemmy not being adequate at the moment so this is the best bandaid solution for now. We need to quickly put effort into developing better moderation tools like limiting other servers without fully defederating, limiting specific communities, forcing nsfw on communities/instances, proxying reports to origin servers so admins have better feedback on their instance user’s bad behavior, and many other things if we want to prevent defederating like this from being the only option.
I think infighting about this decision and differing moderation styles instead of focusing together on moderation challenges and tooling deficiencies risks tearing the community / federation apart and is counterproductive to the goal of being better than reddit."
there will be growing pains.
Their stance on some things is maybe a bit too drastic for some, but they already have one of the largest communities for certain topics like gaming (at least last I checked), so we may lose out on the content that would help people stay long-term, which is sad.
People should stop looking at where the biggest community is. Are you an actor or a spectator? Start creating content in your own instance. This is what killed reddit, too much spectators, all sharing the same on-liner jokes. Do you have an interesting take about a videogame? Then share it. Write things down.
Take it up with beehaw. There’s no convincing them. The beehaw admins have always been extremely toxic and corrupt.
Odd how the decentralized platform doesn’t scam well when you have centralized moderation.
/s