from @JonneyDangerous3326@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Hello I am sending you this message to let you know that lemmy.world, sopuli.xyz lemmy.dbzer0.com, lemmy.blahaj.zone, and probably a few others as well have defederated from your instance due to concerns regarding illegal material, specifically the hosting of loli content and rules allowing it on your instance.
Thank you for your understanding.
I am not sure how to proceed. If this were just a single user instance, I would just ignore this and move on, but I have you guys to think about as well.
It seems like the crux of the matter is the subrule allowing “loli” content.
If it’s for the good of the instance, I can remove that exception, but I felt that such a thing should be put up to a vote.
Although I don’t like the political strong-arming that defederation is allowing, I would still vote to remove the clause in this case.
The Visual Novels community, and by extension the whole instance, have not contained the content in question. In the interest of keeping the community accessible to everyone and keeping the instance “comfy and snug” I think it is better to have our rules better conform with the wider lemmy community.
Not to worry king, we’ll never defederate you (as long as you keep it US law friendly).
If you are wondering who did defederate you, you can check out this tool I made: https://defed.xyz
It looks like you have 13 other instances blocking you, 9 of which I would consider as big ones.
This is unfortunate. I’m pretty split so I guess just consider this a non-vote. Now that I’ve typed all this out I’m leaning towards keeping the rules as-is, so that’s my vote.
On the one hand, I don’t interact with/consume any ‘loli’ or related content here; plus there doesn’t seem to be any on this instance directly anyway, so no existing communities or users would need to be removed. But I interact mostly with communities on instances that have now defederated or likely will because of it being allowed. So practically speaking, I don’t really get anything from the loli rule, and my usage is heavily disrupted by the effects it has on federation.
On the other hand, changing the rules here because of other instances’ rules really just doesn’t sit well. I joined this instance because well-administered online spaces with positive vibes that are reasonably accepting of varied minority interests and views are as pleasant as they are rare; it would be a shame for one of the few loli-friendly instances to be pushed into conforming to the average, snuffing out one more spark of individualism and bringing the fediverse one step closer to homogeneity.
I’m disappointed in the defederations, but I can’t really blame the admins considering how Lemmy functions; Lemmy is where the fault really lies, the way I see it. The lack of hard boundary between local communities and remote communities in hosting content, plus the lack of any way to make a community or instance invisible by default means remote content has little practical difference from local for typical usage (aside from the UX issues it brings). It makes sense that instances would only want to federate with other instances with similar rules considering that.
I love the idea of Lemmy - there’s a reason it’s the first social platform I’ve used in years - but as time goes on, the ripple effects of its quirks and missing features are pushing it into ‘not worth the frustration’ territory for me considering what I want from it: decoupled platform and user, where with one account I can interact with communities with all sorts of rules and values (which I’m happy to abide by of course) without having to fully agree with them myself. That’s not really how it’s shaping up. Whatever happens wrt the proposed rule change, going forward I think I’ll be limiting my interactions on the Lemmyverse to communities on this instance and a select few on friendly instances.
My vote is to remove the exception. For one thing, I don’t think anyone has ever posted “loli” content from this instance; at least not on the visualnovels community, so I don’t see this impacting any users. For another, popular opinion about “loli” content from Lemmy instance admins seems pretty clear. Personally, I have no interest in the content and would rather not see it, all moral and ethical dimensions aside. I think it’s likely the only reason most other instances haven’t de-federated this instance is because they don’t know about this instance or this exception yet.
The communities I can no longer communicate with that I care about are:
I don’t know how this instance would go about getting of the defederation list of these instances, though. To be honest, I don’t think it’s actually likely. But in my opinion, this is still worth doing before instances lemmy.comfysnug.space currently communicates with pre-emptively de-federate this instance.
As the voting was 2 for removal, 2 for keeping it, I am breaking the tie.
Pornographic images of “lolicon” content will no longer be allowed.
I will begin contacting admins that have defederated us due to this and seek to become re-federated.