79 points

There’s an alternate timeline in which I actually give Bing and Edge a chance because Microsoft’s not flinging their feces at their users constantly the way they are now

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It’s wild because Bing is generally quite good now, but I switched away from it recently because it kept trying to advertise edge…

Meanwhile edge tries to advertise “pay later” schemes and really gets in your face about bing…

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12 points

So to be honest, I did use Bing for a good while, mostly for the rewards, and it wasn’t bad, but at some point I was using a Canadian IP with a VPN, and Microsoft stubbornly switched everything to Canadian currency and would no longer let me redeem my rewards with US dollars or within the US lol. Honestly, it’s one thing that nudged me to start thinking more about using a search engine that’s not as problematic as Google or Bing.

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Yeah I’ve had similar experiences with Microsoft switching my currency out of nowhere and it was weird…

Recently been using Brave Search but in general I feel like there just aren’t any good search engines anymore?

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It was a really good time when the new chromium edge just came out and was a lean, quick and bs-free browser with a few power user features.

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28 points

Until about maybe six months ago, Edge was great (please ignore the massive amount of data it sends to MS) as a browser. The user experience was top notch.

Some product owner with shit for brains was hired and started cramming Bing and AI nonsense into every corner.

MS needs to ease up, fast.

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Not to mention pay later credit card cr@#.

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21 points

The sad thing is that Edge is actually decent, and Bing is also not terrible… E.g. as an user there is absolutely no reason to use Chrome instead, but Microsoft managed to make it seem so annoying with shit like this.

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8 points

Edge was decent in beta and upon release. I find now though they have slowly been adding in their own features and now it’s a browser packed with Microsoft’s products.

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Edge is actually decent

And also it tracks you, same as Chrome.

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5 points

Normies barely know what that means, and don’t care.

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E.g. as an user there is absolutely no reason to use Chrome instead

What do you mean instead? Edge is a Chromium rebrand

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2 points

Installing Chrome… since Edge is already there. If anything they would have to install Firefox to make a difference.

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Chrome is not the same thing as Chromium. It’s not a “rebrand”, it’s a fork.

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It’s built on chromium.

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5 points

I find bing to be slightly less shit than google these days.

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6 points

I’ve actually found Bing to be way better than Google for a while now. It’s not even close, idk what Google did to their search engine but it’s pretty frustrating. It’s all ads and irrelevant links.

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4 points

I’ve switched entirely to Startpage and SearXNG instances, and I’m having a much better time

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2 points

I did that once. I’m Firefox and DuckDuckGo now. Love it. The difference in being served the internet and surfing the internet. Ha. Haven’t heard that term in a long time.

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59 points

Really love being free of Windows and this bullshit.

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My system76 laptop is in the mail and I’m excited.

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1 point

I run popOS and it’s awesome, it just works.

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10 points

Yup, the only Microsoft product I use at home is GitHub, my home computer is Linux, and my work computer is macOS, so I just don’t see this BS.

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11 points

Gitlab is pretty great!

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9 points

Yeah it is, and that’s where I put my personal projects. But I like contributing to other FOSS projects, and most of those are in GitHub.

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Codeberg too. Though I’m still using VSCode because for some reason no one in MS management has remembered that they need to make it awful yet.

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@InternetUser2012 @const_void Haven’t had Windows installed since like 2005. Did I miss something?

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Yeah, it’s been a breeze since I moved into Apple ecosystem. Nothing really being shoved down your throat feels nice.

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So you change from the payed system that advertises but at least still have the option to use other things to the free os/over priced device that doesn’t need to advertise since the only option is to use their shit? Really an improvement…

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36 points

Outlook the other day insisted it was better opening links in Edge instead of my default browser… Yeah, I shut THAT down…

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Tbf, they did recently (I think) implement a feature where Edge would open with the email in a sidebar when opening links from outlook. So at least there’s some point to it… if that’s a feature anyone actually wants…

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6 points

I encountered this at work today. I just assumed I couldn’t turn it off. Will def be looking for that setting tomorrow.

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4 points

Outlook devs also doesn’t know how the internet works. After all they use word as there email renderimg engine

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I don’t think I have ever seen that, but that could be because I only use Outlook on my work computer, which runs macOS. It looks like Edge works on macOS, but they don’t seem to be pushing it.

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26 points

Stop trying to make Bing happen. IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

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6 points

I like that it exists. I don’t use it, nor do I plan to, but I like Google having more competition.

I personally use DuckDuckGo, another Google competitor.

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1 point

Which also relies on Bing on the backend.

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1 point

Sure, but it has other unique features that make it different and nicer to use than Bing.

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4 points

Sweaty desperation by Microsoft

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3 points

Bing AI is great

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3 points

I use Bing on the regular for the points but Firefox for everything else.

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1 point

What are you using instead?

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25 points

Anyone else notice the search (in windows 10 at least) suddenly being fucking useless? Used to be able to just type “disk man” and it defaulted to the disk management control panel, now it’s defaulting to a Bing search (in edge of course even though Firefox is default browser) for the phrase… Tried it on like 4 computers and only one was even offering the control panel as an option and it wasn’t the first one. Same thing with “default apps”…

Really glad I made the jump to Linux when I did, everytime I have to do something out of the usual user use case in windows at work I find myself more and more frustrated and jaded with windows.

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Confirming this on (my sister’s installation of) Windows 11. Not even restore point would give me a result (switching to en-US at least found Reset my PC but still creating a restore point is nowhere to be found unless you know where to go from previous versions of Windows).

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Install Linux, problem solved

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I actually installed Mint before going through the Windows OOBE. However, the laptop is so new that the touchpad, touchscreen and fingerprint sensor don’t work in kernels <6.5, and the Wi-Fi card in kernels below 6.0. Most distros ship with kernel 5.x and none have LTS versions with 6.5 (which only became stable this week). I am not nearly skilled enough to go with a non-mainstream or unstable distro. My sister will need Windows so I configured GRUB to boot that by default with 0.2 s hidden timeout and now I can’t boot to Linux at all. I’ll be reinstalling it anyway in a few months.

That being said, Windows is also terrible. You can’t configure the fingers to only scroll and the active stylus to only draw in a note-taking program, the touchpad’s horizontal scrolling is reversed while the vertical is not, the handwriting recognition has not improved since my grandpa’s 2004 Windows Mobile PDA, there is a shitton of telemetry, and uninstalling Edge caused the fingerprint reader to stop working somehow. Without asking, it encrypted my storage with BitLocker (which I cannot configure because it’s not the Pro edition) and I had to enter two 48-digit codes to unlock the D: and E: partitions on each boot (thankfully I removed that). I would welcome encryption if it unlocked on Windows login and didn’t completely lock non-Microsoft account users on the same device from the storage partition. NumLock stays lit in Sleep mode or when the display is closed. Also the manufacturer CaReS aBoUt pRiVaCy and therefore included a camera cover but has a fucking persistent app that “monitors the system” and shows extended warranty popup ads, but is required to limit the battery charging voltage.

And the internal PSU makes a maddening coil whine all the time but the company just said “manufacturing is difficult and we screwed up, just use headphones lol”. It could be fixed by some soft glue, foam or rubber around the inductors but I think I would lose the warranty over this.

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I’ve had issues in the past where the local full text search index was broken and no apps or settings ever came up, so it only offered Bing searches for shit like “control panel”.

There’s a way to clear it and force it to rebuild, but I’m not so sure this is the same problem that you’re describing since you’re seeing it on multiple computers at the same time.

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It’s not sudden, it’s been garbage for a while.

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