cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/3286189

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Can someone Eli5 to me how libertarianism and socialism fit together?

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Libertarianism in the US sometimes (most prominently even, with the Libertarian Party) refers to fully deregulated etc capitalism but more generally means something more like anarchism, a left wing ideology.

Anarchocapitalism is an oxymoron and anarchists do not count it as anarchism.

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5ier: Its the idea that the personalized power of both economic and social rulers should be minimized. Neither inheriting a factory nor inheriting a title of nobility should give you power over me.

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Libertarian socialism = “we never experienced real socialism”

Anarchocapitalism = “we never experienced real capitalism”

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… no? Generally and historically speaking, anarchists can expect to be murdered by the more authority-oriented flavors of leftists at the first semi-convenient point in time. There’s the Kronstadt rebellion or civil war era Spain, as examples.

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Think of “libertarian socialism” in contrast to the more common (authoritarian) socialism. As I understand, Libertarian Socialism is a very broad umbrella that covers ideologies promoting non-coercive, cooperative societies (e.g. all the actual forms of anarchism, solarpunk).

When you hear most people speak of socialism they typically mean some form or fusion of authoritarian socialism – state forced cooperative society.

These are in contrast of course to the coercive and exploitative based societies (capitalism, etc) currently found in virtually every state.

edit: I meant this as a response to a comment but oh well


Also, fuck Discord it’s corporate trash

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