Will people here use/try Meta’s #threads when available? Would love to know the reasons or if it would be just for fun/curiosity.
The amount of data collected is insane imo.
I think it’s exciting. I don’t hate Twitter, but a competitor with big money back in that’s potentially going to integrate with the fediverse? That’s fucking exciting.
Will they actively contribute or fork it? Who knows.
They will actively contribute while growing their userbase. When they hit critical mass they will cutoff the fediverse and take their users and their content with them. It happened before.
You should give this a good read
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Thanks to @m0bi13 who posted this breakdown for context :
Data collected by #threads:
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Health & Fitness -
Financial info -
Contact info -
User content -
Browsing History -
Usage Data -
Diagnostics -
Purchases -
Location -
Contacts -
Search history -
Identifiers -
Sensitive Info -
Other Data
Oh fuck no. The very first line is basically a HIPAA violation. It gets worse from there. We require less disclosure from Supreme Court Justices and Presidential nominees.
This is a trainwreck waiting to happen - even if Facebook itself doesn’t abuse this level of power, you know that bad actors within the organization will. And once the information is collected, you know that tyrannical governments all over the world will be falling over themselves to get access to the data. This is a stalker’s wetdream, an Orwellian orgasm of truly grotesque proportions.
Keep the Fediverse from Zucking. Just say no to Threads.
Ok and how is this worse than what Facebook already does? Or TikTok? Or Instagram?
You list all these things as if this new platform is going to be the first and only thing to harvest all your personal data. Like it’s shocking and new and so much worse
How is it worse? It’s the same bullshit. If you already have Facebook, and most do unfortunately, they are already doing that. And I would bet TikTok takes this much and more and has worse actors.
“Yeah smoking is bad for you, but we’re already doing it so what’s the problem?”
Thanks for proving my exact point. Actually both points.
It’s worth nothing because it’s trying to come here, hungry, grasping, looking to wriggle its tentacles into our federated spaces and suck as much content and data and joy out of us as possible. This is a coordinated corporate effort, with the backing of millions of dollars, to bring centralized control to federated spaces. Their play is that once those spaces become reliant on the traffic that Facebook brings, they’ll acquiesce to the weight of the corporate presence, particularly when it comes to developing new features or engaging data security.
Big tech companies do this all the time with promising new open source projects, gaining control of them in the growth phase through their support and audience, and then throwing their weight around once their presence becomes a necessity. Plus, its very likely that the federated nature of instances means that if you post content on your instance of choice, it will end up on Facebook if federated with them. Right now, if you want to avoid the Zuckening, you can do so by not having Facebook, Insta, Tinder, or any of the services that motherzucker runs. If #threads becomes a thing the Fediverse relies on, you can bet your bottom dollar it will zuck the life out of the place if it can’t directly control it.
Absolutely. I completely agree. I have Facebook because I have friends and family that basically require I use that to contact them. Never downloaded messager or any other thing. Not that they don’t have everything from Facebook anyway.
But the person I was responding to wasn’t making the point that everything Zuck touches turns to shit and a money grab that torches user experience. Or that they are trying to stop any potential competitor or subsume them.
They’re saying “look at all this data it’s going to harvest!!! Isn’t that INSANE?!?” When it’s literally the same almost every social media app on your phone does/has. There are a ton of arguments against anything zuck touches. Pretending the data harvesting is going to be new or groundbreaking is dishonest. Especially when, as I said, I would bet tiktok does all that and more. And it goes to a much worse actor.
Why does it need to be worse than the awful shit awful companies are already doing in order for it to be a concern?
Especially to people here?
Believe it or not, some of us aren’t using any of those apps.
And maybe, just maybe, people should be horrified at what those other apps are collecting, top.
The OP is trying to make it seem that it’s new and shocking when it clearly is the same shit almost all the other social media apps do. Try reading better or understanding context.
Fucking idiots all over the internet think that once you say one critical thing you’re immediately the enemy. Fucking grow up, kid. Why the fuck do you think I’m here?
All of those are terrible and I refuse to use them for the same reasons. It isn’t that it is worse, it is just more or the same.
@snooggums i guess i was the only one that read OP that way. I was trying to say that it’s more of the same, that it isn’t novel or new, and we shouldn’t be surprised. my impression was OP was saying “look at how crazy this is” as in “no one has ever done this before!”
I agree tiktak and so are probably the same or worse. But this doesn’t mean that it is fine that the new app does it.
@Sephtis-6@kbin.social
I am not condoning it happening here. I’m saying it’s really bad that they can see your DMs. And people are trying to brush it off as if it’s no big deal
It’s a HUGE fucking deal. And it’s not acceptable in the slightest. There is a reason I don’t have TikTok or Snapchat or Instagram accounts and have never downloaded the apps. And it’s not because I’m super cool with this stuff.
@bathrobe I don’t know about tiktok, but I think that it is the same data that Facebook collects. And the worst is what we have at the end, “Other Data”. That means, each moment Meta can decide to collect yet more things without to inform the user.
You know, that every post or comment you make on lemmy/kbin can be sent to every federated instance and stored (collected) there? And those comments/posts may contain any of the information from the list, especially when aggregated from different sources and with all the basic meta-data available.
A company as big as meta needs to explicitly state that or they will have serious legal problems.
Of course, we know that Meta will want to abuse that data to monetize as much of it as possible and they have means to do so. On the other hand rogue federated instances could also abuse our data. That is the cost of being open. Company providing closed service can better protect our privacy, but we cannot trust them to do so (especially when the make money by processing and selling data).
I think those problems cannot be solved by technology – open or proprietary, but need to be solved by regulations and law enforcement. And at the same time the regulations should not block all data sharing, as then fediverse could not exist (now I wonder if lemmy/kbin can even be ‘legal’ according to GDPR, but IANAL). Tough problem.
It’s not a HIPPA violation. That law doesn’t apply to companies like Meta beacause they do not fit the definition of an entity that the law was written towards. This is just people freely giving away their personal health information and nothing more. From your own link:
The HIPAA Privacy Rule establishes national standards to protect individuals’ medical records and other individually identifiable health information (collectively defined as “protected health information”) and applies to health plans, health care clearinghouses, and those health care providers that conduct certain health care transactions electronically.
So … medical information is only protected if handled by medical professionals. If the abusive mega-corporation owned by a psycho billionaire wants to do whatever the fuck they want with it, good luck.
HIPPA is a law that governs how people and companies within the healthcare system in the US are allowed (and required) to handle, protect, and share data. It was definitely needed, and rectified a lot of bad practices - health care providers were really very sloppy and cavalier about handling data - but even with that limited scope, it’s very complicated.
It doesn’t cover anybody else. Yes, health information SHOULD absolutely be protected more stringently so that OTHER major players can’t abuse your privacy, but that wasn’t the focus of HIPPA.
The gist of HIPAA is that the patient decides who knows their health status. If they want to announce every rash and sniffle on Meta and thus to every advertiser and government agent in existence, HIPAA won’t stop them.
Doctors are allowed to broadcast their own, personal health issues all over social media, but not anyone else’s.
Yep, you’re technically correct. If it’s voluntarily provided, FB isn’t a health plan, health care clearinghouse, or health care provider…
Good thing they’d never do anything to get that data without you giving your consent… o zuck it, you get the point.
@Arotrios Why would I want an inferior version of mastadon? But seriously I will likely only end up with one if they auto generate it. (a few family use ig and fb as their only communication so it’s checked occasionally via web with adblockers etc…ugh).
Every instance owner should be looking to sign this. Every time you see Meta bullshit posted, please repost this. Also idk how to tag people and I know he’s super busy as of late but calling on Ruud@lemmy.world to get on board with this as well. With the ever growing size of his community it is his responsibility to help us protect the Fediverse.
“i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity”
Let instance owners make that choice for themselves. I don’t like how people are adopting peer pressure to prevent instance owners from doing what they want with their instances. If instance owners want to federate with Meta, let them do so. It’s important to educate people on the pros and cons of federating with Meta instead of pressuring them not to federate with Meta at all.
Yes! BUTTTTT I have a master plan!!!
HERE ME OUT!
I’m on Instagram and have a bunch of followers, around 200K.
SO - My plan is to squat as the IG users pick up Threads. Most people will just follow the same people from IG (Meta encourages it and it fills your feed fast).
My follower count on Threads should grow just from that alone, right?
THEN - Facebook finally federates, right?
THEN! Facebook allows for account migration to Mastodon.
First… I migrate my @renwillis@mstdn.social account to Threads.
Finally… Immediately migrate all my followers from Threads back to mstdn.social.
Suddenly potentially 200K are following a Mastodon account!!! MWUH-HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
