I’ll just leave this here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Yep. The Fediverse has a lot of growing room in the QOL department and is hampered by the relatively small (and often part time) dev teams working on it. Meta comes in, builds a compatible platform, then starts offering meta-platform only ‘improvements’ that offer those QOL features. Rest of the Fediverse dies out because ‘meta’ isn’t that bad and they aren’t abusing their position (yet).
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
If the founder of Mastodon isn’t worried about Threads, I won’t be, either.
Microsoft literally invented the term, but even they’ve abandoned the philosophy and pivoted to contributing to the development of open source software. Who’s to say “Meta” won’t be making contributions to the development of ActivityPub itself like Microsoft does with Chromium? I won’t be signing up for Threads since I already have Mastodon, but I’m also unconcerned with it joining the wider fediverse and look forward to following the people who do use it from my Mastodon account.
Microsoft changed and so could Meta. They’re out to make money not just to be evil so if they think this will make them money they would do it.
Honestly it reads as naivete. That they believe that defederating is the worst that Meta would, and the rest of the instances would simply go back to a state of pre-Meta. This seems like an illogical conclusion, as any activity will fundamentally change the landscape in which they dwell.
Meta doesn’t need to defederate to cause harm to the network they are seeking access to, in fact the opposite seems more likely. Having a presence within the landscape, especially with such a powerful footprint, will have a significant impact on the medium as a whole.
EEE famously doesnt work very well, Microsoft who coined the phrase even gave up on it after a number of unsuccessful attempts
I wish people would stop spamming EEE
There have been a number of times where it successfully stifled the advance of a more free or open technology. It can’t necessarily “extinguish” in the sense of totally destroying a technology, but it can destroy the openness of the technological landscape. Just look at how Google has layered their crap on top of the open core of Android. Or look at how Apple has successfully gotten like a third of all iPhone users to be openly hostile to anyone who uses SMS and/or 3.5mm jacks. Or hell, look at what’s going on with Reddit.
I’m of the opinion that people who look down on you for not using their chosen product are just awful people to have in your life. You don’t want to be interacting with that toxic behaviour anyway.
Cut them out and make it clear: they are awful, not because of the product, but because of their behaviour.
The nice thing with open source software, there is relatively little stopping you from using it.
More like it is taking a shot at Mastodon, Lemmy and Kbin. They are trying to make a product that nets them financial gain out of the fediverse. So if we are federated with them then they will be able to see everything from other instances except all users of “Threads” will get their data stolen and sold by Facebook for profit.
Federating or not federating with Threads in the context of them “slurping data” is a ridiculous discussion. They can just stand up a Lemmy instance at billjoejimbob.com and slurp it indirectly out of there.
I’d be more worried about just the general polluting of sites like Lemmy with Facebook type garbage more than anything else personally.
They get very little if they’re not hosting.
Defederating means that Meta won’t be able to use everyone else for content generation.
So less people will join Threads because there’s less content if no one federates them
Threads has been live approximately three hours, now. I see at least two people who have amassed over 100K followers. Several in the 50 to 90K range and 10K+ followers for miles.
The idea that defederating them is going to deprive them of content isn’t a threat they’re likely to be concerned with.
Meta is straight-up evil. Their whistleblowers proved it. They will do anything to control and ultimately destroy a community through invading privacy for monetization. They should be defederated instantly and universally.
No matter what they say; no matter how benevolent they seem; and no matter what they offer, their intentions are evil, as is their endgame. They won’t keep their word, and they’ll destroy everything here. Don’t fall for it.
Fuck Meta and Zuck
More like “let’s embrace all the users who are already there and try to convert them to our app/server”
Step 2: We are Extending the fediverse with our open source contributions. We are such great citizens of the fediverse and we like to contribute . Step 3: We have decided to exit the fediverse because of reasons. But don’t worry! All the people you like to talk to are on Threads already. Come on over!
The 2020s are shaping up like the 90s again. All we need is Steve Ballmer as Meta ceo and the circle will close.
“let’s embrace all the users who are already there and try to convert them to our app/server”
i don’t think the people who came here, hoping to avoid meta and other big corps, are the type of people who would switch to meta’s instance. Rather only current meta users.
Besides de-federating from meta (server side) is not the way to go about this, as you’d be encouraging people to use meta’s apps, since… they would have no other choice. Everyone keeps bringing up EEE, well you’d be contributing a massive amount to it by doing that. Mastodon has client side defederation anyways, so the user has the ability to defederate for themselves.
