And every general election I have said this. But the british public on the whole are idiots
Same everywhere, including Ontario where I’m from. People complained nonstop about what our Premiere did to the province and then there was the lowest turnout in election history and he got elected to another majority. Something like 50% of people didn’t show up and we had mail in ballots, couldn’t be easier. Embarrassing.
It’s the same in Portugal. Everything has become shit(tier) after 8 years of centre-left PS, but vote intentions are still leaning towards them.
Democracy is a beautiful thing: people get exactly what they deserve.
I disagree there. People can only work from the information they are presented with. The problem is with the establishment and how they protect their own.
That was true in the stone age. Today everyone has access to all the information and they can make up their minds. If they don’t - it’s on them.
You have to be pretty naïve to think everyone takes the time to get good information. Murdoch has built an empire on the exact opposite of this premise. He seems to be doing ok out of it.
All utterly predictable, but British voters couldn’t collectively bring themselves to vote for Corbyn, so …
Shame Corbyn wouldn’t step down so someone that wasn’t disliked by so many voters could step in
Why would he step down when he had a pretty significant mandate from Labour party members to be their leader?
I think Corbyn was a bad person to lead the Labour party (I agree with his policies but he just wasn’t leadership material), but IMO we should be absolutely hammering the electorate for not holding their noses up and voting the guy that wasn’t Boris effing Johnson.
I agree with you that he was a bad leader. That is a failure on Labour’s part as a whole, and on Corbyn’s by not taking the initiative to say “You know what, it’s clear this party is not going to make headway with the current leadership. Let’s find a new leader that is liked by the people and get Labour in for the people.”
Unfortunately the cycle continues where Tory’s are fucking things up as we speak so that when Labour likely get in they will spend years putting the pieces back together. Doesn’t matter who wins, the public lose.
That’s because it has, but it’s nice that people seem to be realising that at least.
It’s the first step (of many) to getting stuff back on track.
Why are they still voting for them though? The propaganda engine is too strong?
People haven’t had a chance to vote in a general election since the Boris Johnson stepping down event. I doubt they will make it in next year, I imagine it could be decimation for the Tories
Did they really think that Boris Johnson was making (or could make) things better ? He was already prime minister at that time.
Did things really change between then and now ?
At the time, the idea of Brexit was still very popular, and Boris campaigned strongly on a promise to “get Brexit done.” The UK population trusting Boris to follow through on finally securing a Brexit deal that had consumed the entire UK political discussion for three years and two Tory governments, plus the opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn being insanely unpopular (which, depending on your point of view, is due to him being way too left, a political smear job by the right-wing UK media, or a combination of both), lead to Labour getting blown out in the 2019 election. So… the answer to your question is probably “sort of? Or at least they didn’t trust Labour to not muck it up even worse.”
Notably, I’m not talking about whether Brexit was actually a good idea to begin with, and the deal Boris wound up negotiating was not even the least-bad possible outcome. Since then, the UK population seem to have finally woken up to the idea that burning literally their biggest bridge for trade and shredding a sweetheart deal was perhaps not very wise. That, combined with Boris resigning in shame over flouting his own lockdown rules, followed by his successor Liz Truss tanking the economy in record time, and a steady drip-drip of scandals and Tory resignations over various “lesser” scandals, put us where we are now.
Alternative title: People have eyes
If you cut funding to public services obviously they get worse this is not exactly a revelation. It’s not that they don’t know what they’re doing they just don’t care and they think they’ll going to get away with it.
I sincerely hope they do not. I am following the tenacity that some are fighting Trump in the US. We could use some of that here.
I’m all for imprisoning Boris. He’s committed enough crimes to have several life sentences by now, we just need to pick some of them.
My concern is that at the next election the Greens and the lib Dems will split the left-wing vote. So I sincerely hope that labor get their heads out of the their arse and present an actual manifesto with some actual substance to it. I’m concerned they won’t.
If you listened to Ed Davey on the rest is politics last week, then you would have an impression that the LD has one main aim and that is to remove the Tories from power. I got the impression that they are willing to make sacrifices to achieve that. I do not think Labour are willing to bend as much.
