I’m getting really tired of trying to run away from big tech, only to be ensnared again by the greed and/or naivety of sites who ultimately cave to the whims of big tech.
Mastodon has already caved, and the silence of lemmy’s and kbin’s developers over this matter isn’t exactly reassuring. Since I more or less still have my bags packed from leaving reddit, what are some other communities I could try that would be more resilient to corporate encroachment?
Mastodon has already caved
You’re catastrophising - if course it hasn’t. Eugene is taking a ‘wait and see’ attitude, given that Threads isn’t even federating yet - as I suspect are the others.
If the absolute worst happens then you can simply crank up your own instance of Lemmy or Kbin or Mastodon.
Can’t moralize on kbin.social if you’re running your own instance, though.
Course you can - you can federate and moralise seamlessly in other instances :)
You could always host your own instance.
With your own moderation policy.
I think that’s probably the safest option.
I am glad the instance of Mastodon I use will defederate from meta.
The two biggest instances at the moment as far as I know is kbin social and lemmy world if one allows meta I will just use the other one. Though I recommend any instance that has signed the anti meta pact.
This shows a list of instances that signed it I would pick one of those.
It’s true in Kbin in the sense that you can block instances as a user preference. You can also block any other domain as well, which means what a post links to. Theoretically you can block Facebook itself, Instagram, Imgur, etc.
Owners of an instance can do whatever they want. That’s the whole point of the fediverse. If you don’t like it, then change to an instance that does what you like or create your own. It’s that simple.
in this case we don’t talk about users who want to block users of another instance. The problem is not the users of meta. The problem is meta itself and all the problems it will bring to the federated network. Whoever cannot see that their intentions are not to promote federated networks but to exploit and extinguish them, is just naive.
Isn’t the whole draw of the fediverse that people aren’t stuck to being in one instance and can leave for one that matches their own? Each instance having the autonomy to do what they want while choosing how much they stay connected or not is a pro to me. This isn’t reddit or facebook. You can even run your own instance for those who don’t want decisions to be made on their behalf.
This is way too dramatic. Mastodon hasn’t caved. The mastodon.social instance might federate with META, but it is not said it will. The kbin developer is a tad busy with keeping kbin.social instance running and fixing kbin software. So the silence doesn’t mean anything.
Host your own instance and do whatever you want. That way you can be sure what will happen.
Yeah, there’s a list of instances that have agreed to defederate any Meta instance. Even if mastodon.social federates with them, there’s still plenty of places to jump ship to.
I don’t know of a list, personally, but if you search the hashtag #FediPact you might find some instance admins that have pledged to defederate.
So Meta’s plan is to make a twitter-alike that spies on its users and manipulates them into being the hate fueled engagement engine, and then inflict that on the fediverse?
What’s to stop everyone from pointing out as often as possible that users can still talk to Zuck’s twits without the spying and manipulation by simply doing so from a non-Meta instance, and then defederating Meta once they are no longer dominant?
Am I just misunderstanding this?
So Meta’s plan is to make a twitter-alike that spies on its users and manipulates them into being the hate fueled engagement engine, and then inflict that on the fediverse?
No one outside their boardroom knows what Meta’s plan is, but I doubt they care much about fedi. They are trying to kill off Twitter and take that marketshare of ~500M users. The fediverse with a total of 9M users (and no advertising revenue) isn’t very important in that scheme.
They are in deep legal trouble with EU privacy regulations and need to show to EU they are “taking things seriously”. ActivityPub was most likely a nice “freebie” they can use and point out they offer interoperability. The whole fediverse bit is just to escape further GDPR trouble with EU.
What’s to stop everyone from pointing out as often as possible that users can still talk to Zuck’s twits without the spying and manipulation by simply doing so from a non-Meta instance, and then defederating Meta once they are no longer dominant?
I’m not sure I understand what you mean? That people would migrate away from Threads if they knew they only knew can access their followers from somewhere else? Why on earth would that ever happen? The opposite is more likely.
Am I just misunderstanding this?
Yes?
That’s an interesting angle that I completely failed to notice. I thought this whole experiment is for Facebook/Meta to get a headstart in a new tech space, like they’re been trying to do with VR and the whole crypto craze.
While I never assumed their intentions were pure with any of this, I clearly was not nearly as cynical as one has to be with these people.
What’s to stop everyone from pointing out as often as possible that users can still talk to Zuck’s twits without the spying and manipulation by simply doing so from a non-Meta instance
Facebook users are stupid, network effects ensure that most people go to a single provider and then minor incompatibilities between threads and the fediverse slowly cuts off the fediverse and ensures it dies.
What does “dies” mean in this circumstance? We already only have 1% of their users. Are we afraid that access toore content here will cause users to leave for Facebook?
Dies means activity slows to the point that the site isn’t worth using. It’s not dead right now for example. I have people to talk to.
Given the fediverse is pretty open by design, meta doesn’t even need to be part of it to spy if they wanted. It’s the EEE strategy that people are more worried about.
Given the fediverse is pretty open by design, meta doesn’t even need to be part of it to spy if they wanted.
They can’t gather all the same information that they could from a phone app, and we’ve seen what permissions they ask for on that. They also can’t manipulate the feed to drive engagement by fostering hate like they can with their own site/app.
It’s the EEE strategy that people are more worried about.
Hence the “get them off meta and onto other instances and then defederate” thing.