A gun rights group sued New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) and other state officials on Saturday over an emergency order banning firearms from being carried in public in Albuquerque.
The National Association for Gun Rights, alongside Albuquerque resident Foster Haines, filed suit just one day after Grisham announced the public health order temporarily suspending concealed and open carry laws in the city.
The group argued that the order violates their Second Amendment rights, pointing to the Supreme Court’s decision last year in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.
I think this is a big misstep, not just from the Governor but for Democrats. Once you possess a firearm it’s pretty much too late for anyone to stop you using it in a crime. Handguns are easily concealed up to the point of entry (if there are metal detectors) and essentially the same with rifles as you can usually park near a building entrance. This reinforces the rights position that Democrats are ineffective at law enforcement and no nothing about guns.
Does not being allowed to regulate things you know nothing about also extend to uteruses, the environment, etc?
Of course it does. You should have the right to have an abortion. You should have the right to refuse vaccination (although private businesses should have the right to refuse to allow you entry or employment if you aren’t). You should have the right to own the firearms that work best for you.
You should have the rights to make choices about yourself and your own body that do not cause direct, immediate harm to other people.
If you’re going to argue that guns should be illegal because you can kill a person (illegally) with one, then it’s just as reasonable to argue that abortion should be illegal because you’re killing a person.
The only problem here is that both Republicans and Democrats are inconsistent, but in opposite ways.
Your second paragraph pretty well contradicts your first paragraph as far as vaccinations go.
And your third doesn’t follow any kind of logical reasoning since one of the ideas behind legal abortion is bodily autonomy.
Your fourth paragraph is making conclusions based on the first three, but since they’re full of holes, there’s nothing to actually support your assertion.
Stop going off topic. You aren’t disagreeing with him and presenting a valid argument. You’re just trying to change the subject matter.
That’s a very weird contrast. The environment affects everyone, my neighbors uterus doesn’t.
This reinforces the rights position that Democrats are ineffective at law enforcement and know nothing about guns.
The way the lobbying works here (or used to work, before the NRA went bankrupt) is that any candidate who knows about guns, or represents a district with lots of gun ownership, can’t be involved at all in any gun control laws without losing the NRA’s support. Therefore, the only people left to write the gun control laws are the ones who know nothing about it.
Gun toting liberals exist just as LGBTQ+ conservatives exist. Also, it’s not incumbent upon legislators to know everything about everything that could be legislated upon. This is why legislators have staff.
The problem is most(not all) people who care to actually learn about guns generally oppose gun control.
You can have lots of gun knowledge without owning guns or having NRA support.
Public Safety should always come first.
The problem is that “Public Safety” is an arbitrary metric. A Governor can’t strip citizens of Constitutional rights under the guise of some perceived “Public Safety” concern. It’s a complete violation of the Constitution.
Put simply: this is a horrible look for Democrats. Especially for a party that compared Trump to Hitler 24/7. This is what actual tyranny looks like. A single leader unilaterally stripping away rights from their citizens due to a self-declared “emergency”.
Neither are abortion rates. You’d support a governors ability to end all abortion in a state under a public health emergency?
Is it gun homicide rates or violent crime rate that is used for determining where carrying is restricted?
You don’t understand the Constitution. Those tights come with restrictions. It’s part of the text.
Slippery slope, this shows other states they can do the same thing towards other rights that you might not like. Next thing you know it’s the wild west with each state doing what they want.
This is going to court. Let’s see who understands the constitution more.
To be clear- you’re saying this will 100% hold up in court?
It’s a complete violation of the Constitution.
I think you might be over reaching there, unless all these concealed and open carry folk were members of a “well regulated militia” and nobody noticed… There are plenty of otherwise “infringing” restrictions on bearing arms; you can’t point a gun at a cop just because your right to bear arms is enshrined in the second amendment, you can’t wheel a functioning howitzer with you wherever you go. You can’t own a sawn-off shotgun.
Ahh one of you “well regulated” types, eh? You do understand how the english language works, correct?
“A well balanced breakfast, being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.”
Now, who has the right to keep and eat food in this above scenario, “the people” or “a well balanced breakfast?”
You are arguing the point but missing the context.
The Governor decided to do this unilaterally using a “Public Health Emergency”. This is not in regards to a bill passed by both chambers of New Mexicos Legislative Branch. This was the sole decision of a single person. The Executive Branch is detailed with carrying out the orders of the Legislature. They do not create Laws. That is what she is trying to do.
Fine. No vehicles, no candles, no walking around without a helmet on. Public safety is number one!
Vehicles require licenses and you are regulated where you can drive. Many, MANY fire codes have been written for home goods, furnishings and house materials to prevent fires from common things like candles. You must wear a helmet on bicycles or motorcycles (and other things similar) in most states.
So, yes?
…And you think that there isn’t an entire federal agency devoted largely to regulating firearms…? Spoiler: the BATF exists, but there are limits on what they can do. This is beyond the scope of their power, because they can’t violate the constitution and court precedent.
Guns do in fact have other uses. Namely self defense, which while yes some killing may be involved in defending oneself with a firearm, “want” is a liiiiitle far since most would rather just not be in a life or death situation that would necessitate armed self defense, though assuredly they are glad to be able to use it to “not die” as opposed to “dying by the attacker’s hands.”
Also hunting, USPSA, IDPA, etc.
I don’t agree, there are plenty of accepted risks, and there are many cases where public safety could be prioritized at the expense of individual liberties. COVID is a recent example, extremely stringent lockdowns, freedom of movement suspensions, etc would likely decrease deaths as in Australia.
Why can’t they? Dodge City, back in the 1880s, had an ordinance declaring you had to check your guns when you went into town. Even then, they knew guns and idiots grouped together don’t mix. Especially when drinking. But this is an illegitimate Supreme Court it will get to. With a guy who is on the take, a guy who believes a witch trial judge’s ruling(when America didn’t even exist) has bearing on Abortion rights today, a Christian cult member who probably gets her instructions from her husband on how to rule, a guy who stuffed drugs up his ass and raped a woman who then had debts mysterious wiped clean, and a guy who sees all this shit and says it’s OK and that we have no more racism in existence today so we gutted the civil rights act.
Vote out Republicans, people. It’s the only way out of this mess.
Is it still feasible to see a person coming into town from a mile off on a horse and stopping him to take his guns? Are only like 20 people a day coming in and out of this city?
Then make it a fine punishable by 10% of your yearly income. Sure, you can carry a gun in the town, but if they catch you with it, you’re gonna pay a stiff penalty.
Of any debates or criticism or discussion you could possibly make…making a penalty that has no effect of an unemployed person that’s most likely to mug or rob a person for having a gun by far has to be the stupidest most illogical thing you could have said. I can recognize or accept different viewpoints, but you’re just a moron.
“Only the rich deserve the right to protect themselves, fuck poor people.”
-You.
I believe the above is referencing a law that required the owner to surrender guns. Not a checkpoint. Therefore if someone was caught with firearms in the city without permission by the sheriff they were known to be breaking the law. Pretty much the same as is happening now: if you see someone with a gun in Albuquerque, they are a criminal.
Why can’t they? Dodge City, back in the 1880s, had an ordinance declaring you had to check your guns when you went into town.
Because of Heller v. D.C., and McDonald v. Chicago. Those precedents are over a decade old, from well before Trump stacked the courts.
Supreme court doubtfully even needs to rule on this, Heller covers this already as you said. This won’t stick.
McDonald is the one that really applies here; Heller was argued to only apply to D.C., since it lacked the power of the states. McDonald clarified that yes, Heller applied to states also.
The state governor is going to use her failure to do anything substantive as a fundraiser: “I would have successfully ended all violent crime, if only those pesky MAGA-cultists hadn’t stopped me!” Never mind that David fuckin’ Hogg has explicitly opposed this on X (nee Twitter) saying, “I support gun safety but there is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution.”. When one of the most visible anti-gun activists in the US is against your plan, you done fucked up.
Good. Fuck Grisham and this bullshit.
Numero America, solve 99% of world’s problems. Only a country of retards would be so hellbent on having guns everywhere.
In the country I live there is easier access to guns than many US states yet there is barely any gun crime. Gun ownership is also a constitutional right here.
