Perhaps this is a cultural thing, but doublespeak seems to be prevalent even in casual conversation

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Every time I turn to politics. Our ex justice minister once said:

Surveillance is freedom

I’m not kidding. Word for word, that’s what he said.

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Which country? Orwell?

Edit: NewZealand apparently

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Just going to leave this here…

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Denmark actually. It’s a couple of years ago he said it.

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I wouldn’t know. I take most things that people say at face-value.

I don’t have the time or energy to interpret double-meanings. Say what you mean & mean what you say.

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People get mad at you when you do that. I’m actually shocked at how many do.

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Yeah, they might get mad, but that’s on them. If they said what they actually meant, things would go a lot smoother.

Communicate clearly instead of expecting me to do codebreaking.

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Once you achieve a certain level of not giving a fuck, just repeat their statement back to then in plain language and they will usually either storm off, freeing you from the conversation, or they will get the point, freeing you from at least the tedious part of the conversation.

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I agree; so strange what we value with words so often differ with what we value with our action or inaction.

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How do you feel about people who communicate through movie quotes?

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Any examples in particular?

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Yeah, any example will do.

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That was more for you to provide an example so we know exactly what you are looking for?

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Whether intentional or not their reply was hilarious.

And OP just read 1984.

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(do you have) any examples in particular?

(are you looking for) any examples in particular?

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I assume you mean just subtly mentioning something without outright saying it. That’s just a social skill, since some things are better said that way.

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On the other hand, equivocation is the bastion of cowards and simpletons.

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Whilst this has some truth to it, it is a gross oversimplification

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Then, what do you mean with double speak

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That 2x thing you can choose in a YouTube video.

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Maybe it’s when you speak so fast that it sounds like you’re saying two words at once? 😄

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I assume they mean like that one barenaked ladies song where they sing real fast but it isn’t rapping.

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All the time. Discourse analysis ruined my life.

In special, the sort of doublespeak where someone lists something as a bonus of whatever the person defends, but as a malus for what he doesn’t like. Often through different and partially overlapping words, such as one program being “traditional and tested” and another “archaic and outdated”. Or one politician being “in sync with the voters” and another being “a demagogue”.

However on the internet I feel like doublespeak is becoming less and less of a concern, because willingful stupidity is often more efficient, as it capitalises on Brandolini’s Law.

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In special, the sort of doublespeak where someone lists something as a bonus of whatever the person defends, but as a malus for what he doesn’t like. Often through different and partially overlapping words, such as one program being “traditional and tested” and another “archaic and outdated”. Or one politician being “in sync with the voters” and another being “a demagogue”.

Oh yeah, I hate that. I find it sad that there’s a market for that kind of content. It’s not the only way, you could just say the program is 15 years old, or the politician appeals to a much larger fraction of voters than whatever specific naive measure would suggest they should.

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It’s not the only way, you could just say the program is 15 years old, or the politician appeals to a much larger fraction of voters than whatever specific naive measure would suggest they should.

That requires us* to focus on the objective matters. We can’t do that. We need to wallow in all that precious, oh so precious, subjectivity. But we can’t show it, because then we can’t claim “it’s facts”, and we’re opening room for disagreement.

In other words this kind of doublespeak is backed by another type of doublespeak: disguising the subjective as objective. You see the same underlying phenomenon behind the usage of the word “toxic”.

*by “we” I mean “people in general”, not necessarily you and me.

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I suspect a lot of people make the mistake of seeking out analysis, but not stopping to consider if they actually understand more after reading it, as well. They figure because they spent half an hour reading they must now be smarter, when that’s not necessarily the case, and from a writer’s perspective that gives an opportunity to make money by producing giant quantities of boilerplate text. Or at least did, before GPT and friends showed up.

In other words this kind of doublespeak is backed by another type of doublespeak: disguising the subjective as objective. You see the same underlying phenomenon behind the usage of the word “toxic”.

Can you give an example? The first thing that comes to mind is “toxic masculinity”, which is more of a “set expression”, and then “toxicity” in online spaces which in context refers to an abundance of hostility or negative emotional content.

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