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Yesterday 30 million users signed up for threads, which is already more than active users in the fediverse.
Furthermore, it seems that Meta hasn’t launched threads in the EU due to uncertainty regarding the Digital Markets Act. It is entirely possible that their intent to federate with other Activitypub instances is entirely a cheap way to avoid being labeled a gatekeeper and avoid other regulatory requirements or restrictions.
It’s future use of ActivityPub to get better publicity or scrape a bit more data might be an added benefit but not it’s true purpose.
We’ll see if launch in the EU goes hand in hand with them turning on Federation. I suspect that ActivityPub and the Fediverse are merely an afterthought to them and a convenient way to avoid being impacted by certain regulations.
Edit: Found a brief overview of the DMA. Among other things they say:
“The DMA aims to ensure the interoperability of messaging services allowing users on services like WhatsApp to send messages to users on smaller services like Signal”
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_6423
Yea, might be right. Doesn’t really change anything though. We’re still basically fighting for an independent Fediverse. Fucking over Zuck is just a side-benefit.
In theory, however there’s a saying: embrace, extend, extinguish.
Just because the standard is open doesn’t mean you can’t use it to strong-arm everyone else out of the market, and Meta is definitely big enough to do that.
If as much as 10% of Instagram signs up for threads they’d be as big as twitter. Threads could gobble up a lot of the incoming population of the fediverse and once they have enough people, defederate from everyone else, limiting the available content to non-corpo instances. Defederating from threads is of paramount importance for the well being of the fediverse.
They don’t need to defederate. Just extend with Theads-only features to force others to funnel into their platform or else miss content. Slowly ramp it up until the competition mostly dies out on its own.
And open them up to anti-conpetitive and monopoly law suits? Meta has already been getting calls to be broken up for having the top two social medias, if they get the full trifecta then they’re gonna have a tough time selling defederation to the FTC or E.U. Better for them to take 90% of the pie and allow others to fight over the scraps then try for full 100% and risk litigation.
In a perfect world, he doesn’t get enough federation to pass the sniff test and release his product in the EU. In a fantasy world, we eventually become big enough to actually start pulling his customers away, in a way that reduces his revenues. Which we have to be separate in order to do, because otherwise he doesn’t lose them when they leave.
I would imagine being open to federation is all that’s required for the EU.
Also, defederation doesn’t mean they can’t access federated data. They can even interact with it. It just doesn’t get synced back to the original instances.
I don’t trust them one bit, but this makes more sense than EEE. The fediverse just isn’t that big. We don’t have anything they want. But what they do want is to be allowed to launch Threads in the EU without DMA issues.
That definitely makes sense.
Also, Zuck can point to us feddies not wanting to federate with him, and say “see? Interoperability is pointless, even the geeks don’t want it”. Which is oddly accurate…
Also, Zuck can point to us feddies not wanting to federate with him, and say “see? Interoperability is pointless, even the geeks don’t want it”. Which is oddly accurate…
I think the easiest counter-argument here is healthy disagreement.
Being exposed to multiple opinions is undoubtedly important and is far, far better for us all in the long run than only limiting ourselves to only those opinions and views we already share or at least like, but having an option to wall somebody off on an Internet platform has its benefits, too, like not actually wasting your time in endless and fruitless arguments. As great as it would for everyone to be able to have a healthy and productive conversation about the differences in their views, it simply isn’t wise to honestly expect that from everyone.
Besides, having two opposing ideas communicate on the same platform is not what the fediverse is for - not exclusively for sure. It’s the freedom to self-host and self-regulate places dedicated to specific things to various degrees: lemmy.world, for instance, is wide and large and encompasses many things at once, and has an option to federate and communicate with smaller, more niche communities and vise versa, while letting the users open a single account with either.
Otherwise it’s just the old Facebook formula of encouraging opposing views to constantly clash for the sake of engagement. That’s just not real, not healthy, and only exists for the purpose of being some sort of KPI in a corporation perpetually hungry for money and influence. So yeah, we don’t want that.
I think you are right.
Doesn’t this mean the law is working as intended?
