155 points

The MPAA really is grasping for straws aren’t they. Ever since people were able to stream movies during the pandemic and found it was a much cheaper more enjoyable experience, they have been trying to invent ways to drive people back to the theaters. Now they are suffering major block buster busts and they have to point the finger at someone so they think, “it’s those darn Reddit pirates!” Its funny that they don’t realize they caused their own demise. But really I wonder, why specifically 2011?

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74 points

2011 is well outside the Statute of Limitations for infringement…

That’s three years with some wiggle room for ongoing infringement.

This is likely an intimidation/shakedown thing.

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5 points

Sounds more like they’re going after Grande. Belief being the testimony would allow them to build a case that Grande incited or somehow induced privacy which would strip them from a number of legal protections that may apply to service providers.

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1 point

Could be that they’re looking to block similar usernames in their streaming services?

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67 points

Right? Yeah, piracy is the reason people don’t go to the movies. It has nothing to do with the overpriced, nasty concessions (cold, overly salty popcorn), dirty floors, uncomfortable “reclining” seats, gimmicks (4DX, RPX, XD), staff that can’t be bothered to turn off the lights at showtime or properly configure the sound systems. All while you’re paying $15 per ticket and $30 on snacks.

These morons live in an entirely different world.

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Not to mention the comparison between watching a movie at home, where you know it will be silent, versus the risk of having at least one (but often more) groups of people who will not shut the fuck up the whole time.

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20 points

Can also pause, rewind, fast forward, lie down, and more at home

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13 points

It’s funny because we subscribe to the AMC A-List and go to the movies quite a bit (obviously this is in the US). But it’s because a) we have a couple of AMC theatres close by, and b) it’s just me and my spouse, no kids involved. So it’s something that to us is worthwhile (having a night out a few times a months to see a movie on the big screen). Also, we never buy concessions. I can’t imagine how an average family with a bunch of kids can just go and drop over 100 bucks on tickets and concessions on any given night.

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13 points

The gap between reality and what corporate shills who probably don’t even use their own product think is reality is ever widening.

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12 points

I think they are short staffed aka underpaid.

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17 points

Agreed. That means that the current business model for movie theaters is unsustainable.

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6 points

It has nothing to do with the overpriced, nasty concessions (cold, overly salty popcorn), dirty floors

Ugh, this just reminds me of all those times I went to the theater, and no matter where I walked I would hear the squish sound from my shoes coming into contact with something sticky… I do not miss that at all.

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7 points

Disagree that it’s more enjoyable than going to the theaters. There is a social aspect of going to movies with friend groups that’s hard to replicate at home. People don’t have space to fit 12 friends to comfortably watch a new release.

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119 points

Now is a good time to remind users that you are placing some trust in the instance that you use. Lemmy is not anonymous. It is pseudo-anonymous. Your instance can do pretty much anything with your account up to and including turning your account into a sock puppet, and they know exactly where you’re connecting from.

With that said, it’s a lot better than most social media today that actively tries to violate your privacy at every turn.

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33 points

This is part of why I signed up through FMHY. If anybody is going to try to protect my privacy it is probably going to be the very actively pro-piracy group.

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31 points

To add to this: some instances require your email address, and others don’t.

Obviously there are plenty of other ways you won’t be really anonymous, but if it’s important to you, one step in mitigating issues is not to have an email associated with your account.

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23 points

You can always use https://10minutesemail.net/ for the required email. No muss no fuss

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15 points

I’ve been partial to https://mailinator.com, but some services are getting wise to it (and blocking *@mailinator.com addresses). Thanks for sharing an alternative!

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6 points

What about using something like a protonmail address for all social media email?

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7 points

A good strategy, but still less secure by definition than no email at all.

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You may know the answer to this. If I’ve signed up with no email, and whilst on a secure VPN, how are they going to track me?

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Your instance could (edit: theoretically, if they’re running custom Lemmy code) track you by your browser fingerprint (screen size, installed fonts, plugins, etc.). Others could keep a profile on you based on what you comment/post/upvote and when.

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88 points

Scary but hey at least Reddit isn’t handing out the info so easily in this instance

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67 points

Would be mad.

There are many topics people discuss that are problematic. Forget piracy. What about people from authoritarian regimes, people from countries that are in danger to fall to authoritarians, even if they haven’t yet. Anything from years ago could become problematic if the wrong government gets into power.

Making jokes about God is no deal under some regimes, it’s blasphemy in others.

Drugs are a problem in a lot of countries, and a literal death sentence in some.

Making fun of a fringe politician is nothing when they are not in power, but becomes a problem if they get into power.

I am sure Reddit gives some data in cases of actual danger, which is fair. But if they start to hand out data for something minor like piracy, it’s going to be a problem for discussion on the discussion plattform.

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16 points

They will if they get a nickel for doing it.

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5 points

Whatever. It’s not really admissable. People talk about tons of things that they don’t actually do. For example, I talked today on teams about deleting a problematic app from our vcenter just so we didn’t have to deal with a compatible issue. Didn’t actually do it.

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14 points

I was discussing trebucheting politicians off the white cliffs of Dover earlier today on Discord. Not gonna do that either. Sadly.

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5 points

But sire is the trébuchets are locked and ready! Do not make us turn back!

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3 points

Why do you want to pollute the environment with toxic waste?

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71 points

In a way this does make me slightpy concerned about Lemmy servers, Reddit has a team of lawyers and tonnes of funds behind it to fight pointless demands like these

A lot of server owners won’t and will be much easier to coax into giving up information about it’s users

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The thing is, chasing individual instances is a game of whack-a-mole, with a lot of downside and not a lot of upside. Established companies follow laws and regulations because they are easy targets, with local assets, offices, and public figures that are worth serving/seizing and can be compelled to comply to court orders. How TF you going to enforce a court order in a country that doesn’t recognize your jurisdiction or laws?

The other thing thing is, if you run an instance with moderation rules that skirt the law, you are incentivised not to log personal information and disseminate it because a) that makes you a target, and b) you’ll get called out by your own users for logging and leaking IPs, and people will just move to a different server.

It seems pretty obvious to me that you should assume at all times when you are online that you are basically in a public space, like in a public cafe: People can see you, even if the fact that they are not paying close attention to you creates the illusion of privacy. If you start doing something to stand out, people will start to pay attention to you, and it’s all visible to see unless you actively take precautions to hide your identity. That starts–but doesn’t end–with not browsing piracy on main.

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I thought this instance was hosted in Germany. If this is the case, we can’t host files but we should be able to still link to them, correct? In this case, Lemmy should be safe as long as we aren’t uploading files ourselves and hosting them.

That’s it guys, everyone start using iVPN, and Mullvad. 🤣

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7 points

Both IVPN and Mullvad have just removed port forwarding. I hear the options now are proton (which I hear may not have port forwarding on linux yet, but say they will) and AirVPN.

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Port forwarding can be abused and also, exploited. I believe this was smart for many reasons, just get a secondary cheap VPN like IPVanish, NordVPN, VyprVPN, CyberGhost, any of those for DOWNLOADING would be sufficient enough. I would use only Mullvad or iVPN for anything I’d be taking very seriously however.

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Silly nonsense. Just cause I said I downloaded something isn’t proof I did it. If I said I murdered someone you still have to proof I did it especially if there is no god damn body. In other words: they have to link my comments to a download I did via vpn years ago. Yeah, good luck losers.

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I… don’t think that’s true.

I’d expect to get convicted if I make a (reasonable) confession of murdering someone who vanished, even if there is no single other bit of evidence.

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Not if you made that confession outside of any prosecution process and then withdrew it saying you were just making shit up, I wouldn’t think.

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You won’t. It happens all the time. Youd be amazed how many people try to claim credit for crimes they didn’t commit.

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Right, if you go to the police and confess to the murder of someone who vanished you are going to be in trouble. But we are talking about some reddit comments “confessing” to downloading something illegally. I could have been more specific with the example though.

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Actually no. Pretending to have committed a crime is a crime itself. At least here in Germany.

Also: saying you committed a crime is basically the same as a confession and can definitely be used against you

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4 points

The lawsuit does not involve Germany in the slightest

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Also keep in mind that at least in Germany the act of just downloading something is not illegal. Only the uploading/seeding of content is. So just admitting to having downloaded something is not admitting to a crime at all.

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Pretending to have committed a crime is a crime itself

Gotta listen to some Götz Widmann haha.

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If they have no proof prior, they will absolutely wreck you with a comment like that linked to an account you own. That’s a confession, which you made, it is idiotic as you gained nothing admitting to it.

Only because many people don’t care, doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter.

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9 points

A comment on social media is not a confession.

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Alright buddy, that’s a horrendous example. You’re comparing MURDER to downloading End Game…

Here’s the real comp, go into the police station with a grin and say I just littered 3 towns away in a park, I threw a candy wrapper on the floor, it even has my fingerprint! But you’ll never catch me coppers!

They’d shrug and ask you to leave. No-one is starting a manhunt.

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They would never get a conviction on the statement alone though. What it probably would do, is lead to them turning over every stone in your life to find proof. They’d do that because it’s enough to arouse suspicion but not enough to get you convicted in any way.

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Bit of a leap there. I’m talking about confessing to murdering someone on reddit for instance cause that is what we are talking about: comments made years ago on reddit. Yeah, sure, maybe someone will tell the cops and they will have to investigate you based on your comment about murdering someone, but then what? Sure, it will have consequences for me, but they cannot convict me based of a single comment and nothing else. How the hell is that going to hold up in any court?
And now think back on what we are actually talking about: comments admitting to having illegally downloaded some content. I would assume they won’t even try to start investigating that. Like how on earth are you going to get proof of that?

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28 points

. But to actively say, ‘I downloaded X, from Y. It worked great.’ and/or ‘I’ve downloaded loads from X, I have over a thousand X, and they all work.’ it makes me cringe.

Not evidence of a crime.

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4 points

I came to confess. I was the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll.

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1 point

Liar, I shot first. You were third

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19 points

It’s like people are forgetting that piracy is actually illegal.

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28 points

They’re just lying about pirating to look cool.

I highly doubt there are any actual pirates on here, it’s just users being edgy. A bunch of dorks that don’t even own a boat role playing badass pirates.

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6 points

I’d like to be that variety of pirate, at least in the older style. Not so much a modern nautical pirate though.

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5 points

Does a canoe count?

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What is illegal for Americans is not illegal everywhere.

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  1. I’m not American either.
  2. The vast majority of countries in the world have copyright.

Now I’m not morally against piracy, pirate away. It’s just illegal.

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I think many people just couldn’t care less about pirating and believe the companies can’t figure out who they are. For example, I discuss pirating stuff pretty openly on my reddit account. But every single comment I make, I consciously make sure to not reveal enough for people to dox me.

I also don’t have Facebook which is how most people figure out identities.

“Hmm, they’re an underwater welder from a specific small town and they have three sons. Well this is the only Facebook profile that matches that so I bet it’s this person” type of thing.

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You are only truly anonymous if you always use a VPN or Tor. If not, Reddit has your IP and the ISP knows who is behind the IP. If LE knocks at Reddit’s door with a warrant, they will give them your IP, with which they go to the ISP to get your name.

they’re an underwater welder from a specific small town and they have three sons

You would be suprised of how much less info than that is needed to ID a person. There are studies about ID’ing people via their favorites and last-watched lists on netflix.

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6 points

Been teaching my kid this. Do what you’re expected to do, follow directions from teachers and parents, so that when you do something you’re not supposed to and if you get caught, they won’t even believe you did it. Hide in plain site and cover your tracks by thinking of what you’d look for trying to catch someone.

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I think a lot of it is to do with the actual chance that the individual is going to get charged with it, big companies generally go after the Distributors and not the individuals regarding it. Plus staying online that you did something doesn’t prove that you actually did it so they would still have to get solid evidence that you actually did it which costs money A lot of times more money than they would have lost from the pirating activity in the first place which is why a lot of them just settle for sending a dmca to the ISP and the ISP for as it saying LOL you better not be doing this

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