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This is such a reversal from Poland’s previous position of give Ukraine all the weapons… not sure if they are serious or negotiating

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I think it’s still consistent with all that, people are misunderstanding the headline;

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki on Wednesday said his country would no longer arm Ukraine and will instead focus on its own defense.

Which makes sense, you can’t give everything away. Also Ukraine may not need more weapons, and it might benefit more from other forms of support. Having a well defended allied neighbor has benefits too.

It’s still ‘bad’, and could be a political move in response to the grain stuff, but it’s not ‘changing sides’

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Perun has done an excellent job of demonstrating how dedicated Poland is, if not to the support of Ukraine, to the cause of inflicting maximum pain on Russia.

In terms of total budget, in terms of armament sent over unofficially, in terms of everything except getting involved in the firing themselves.

One might say there is a cultural component to Poland’s very strong reaction to the situation. Which makes no more arms almost a non sequitur.

Even if Poland has given away everything it can give, the more they produce and buy, the more they can give. Until they’re in a shooting war themselves

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The problem is that one thing is the Polish People, another thing is the politicians in power in Poland.

The politicians will go along with the people if that’s to their advantage (and all the rearming with fresh weaponry and giving the old ones to Ukraine is a wonderful setup for said politicians to personally make tons of money with all that public dosh flowing around), but that doesn’t mean they’re true believers.

(This, by the way is true everywhere, especially with populist politicians, and I’m not trying to single out Poland on this here).

As it so happens, right now the governing party in Poland is near parliamentary elections, running behind on the polls, and the Farmer Vote seems like a mighty appealing way to solve that. Since the farmers are worried about “cheap ukranian grain”, the politicians of the governing party, following their own personal priorities, are sacrificing the “hurting of Russia” and Ukraine to get those votes.

I mean, it makes sense for them, but it also shows their “Hurt Russia” policy isn’t really heartfelt, more a “principle” of convenience (and when it’s not convenient, they have other principles).

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There are going to be parliamentary elections there this year, the polls put the governing party slightly behind the opposition on voting intentions, the Farmer’s vote could tip the balance the other way and guess who is worried the most about “cheap grain from Ukraine”…

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who is worried the most about “cheap grain from Ukraine”

Agroholdings

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Makes me concerned that Poland is tired of being on the sidelines and is about to jump in

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TL;DR that everyone seems to have missed:

Poland isn’t sending weapons to Ukraine because they are arming up themselves instead.

“We no longer transfer weapons to Ukraine because we are now arming Poland,” Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki

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Poland invades Belarus when

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Everything began in Kremlin, everything will end ib Kremlin. Remove Putin from power and Lukashenko will be removed by Belarusians.

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Yup this is the answer. Without Putin keeping him in power Lukashenko won’t last long.
Also hilarious that we haven’t heard much from Belarus about the recent Russian Duma comment that ‘all neighbors are up for grabs, the ones that cooperate like Belarus will just be last’.
‘We’re gonna conquer you, just not today’ is the sort of thing that SHOULD be turning allies into enemies…

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This is still a weird take. Russia can’t even beat Ukraine. I imagine any attack on Poland would be quickly dealt with. That said, I know fuck all about wartime logistics.

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Ukraine successfully defends against Russia because the rest of the world sends them tons of weapons. And because the famous ‘second best army in the world’ turned out to be a paper tiger. Poland does not want the same thing to happen. They don’t want to have to get weapons after invasion, they want to have the weapons beforehand to hopefully prevent the invasion from ever happening.

You are also thinking logically, like look at our military and look at their military and figure out if we can beat them or not. Dictatorships don’t always work that way. If delivering bad news to the great leader has negative consequences, everybody’s going to come up with good news whether it’s real or not. ‘Oh yes great leader, of course great leader, yes our military is strong sir, we stand ready to crush them like a small insect and there is nothing they have that can possibly stand up to your glorious military sir.’. It works until Great Leader actually orders a fight, and then when said fight goes to shit some people accidentally shoot themselves twice in the back of the head before tripping and falling out an unlocked window in tragic freak accidents.

Point is, Russia has shown that logic is not feeding their decisions. So when faced with an illogical enemy, Poland wants to arm up to dissuade any attempts from being made and fight them off if they happen anyway.

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Poland you realize if the russians win theyre coming for you next right?

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“We no longer transfer weapons to Ukraine because we are now arming Poland,” Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki

I think that might be their point.

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Poland is not perfect. Yes, they did support. However, they have always been a bit xenophobic and insular. It’s kind of like that wacky uncle or person in your community. Really nice as long as you avoid certain subjects. Like the Holocaust. It was only a matter of time. Idk why they think they need to make this move. Why not support the clear war front - keep it from advancing further to your doorstep.

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Which may be why they are reserving the weapons for themselves.

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They been invaded by Russians before, they are stocking their weapons.

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Poland is not almighty, it cannot send us weapons infinitely. This is their choice.

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From sending less weapons to sending no weapons at all there’s a big step

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You heard Duda, there was a misinterpretation.

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This exactly what the russian Madman wants. We need to stand together with Ukraine. Every dispute or discussion can wait until the War is over!

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