How about nobody gets one?
That’s the point of Non-Proliferation Treaty, it’s to prevent another race for Weapon of Mass Destruction. If anything Iran should stop getting one.
And the entire idea of nuclear non-proliferation is dead in the water for the foreseeable future, as a direct result of the full and complete abrogation of the Budapest Memorandum by all signatories except for the country that was the subject of the agreement (Ukraine). They surrendered their nukes in exchange for (what the Ukrainians thought were) ironclad agreements from all sides that their territorial integrity would be backstopped by three nuclear powers.
That didn’t pan out as expected for Ukraine. In 2014, the global response (and more importantly, the response from the signatories who weren’t executing a semi-stealthy invasion in Ukraine) did pretty much nothing, and that lack of robust response led directly to the more active phase of the Ukrainian War from February 24, 2022 onwards.
As an immediate result of the signatories (and the rest of the world) doing almost nothing back in 2024 2014 - and furthermore, unless the signatories, and all of Ukraine’s allies in general, stop pussy-footing around and actually provide a level of military aid that makes an actual long-term strategic difference - NOBODY is going to take the “give us your nukes and we’ll protect you” deal ever again. It’s been proven to be complete and utter bullshit. Moreover, if Ukraine still had nukes, Russia would never have chanced a nuclear response by invading them.
All the Budapest Memorandum, the failure to enforce its structures, and the Ukraine invasion and war have accomplished at this point is to prove that nuclear weapons are, in fact, the final word in territorial integrity and national security. An adversary will NOT invade you if one of the possible responses is “we will turn your cities to glass”.
Yanks are the ones pushing it since the starts but ooooh noooo let’s make the ruski’s the global bad guys again
let’s make the ruski’s the global bad guys again
No need, they easily managed that themselves.
Nuclear winter fell way back in the pack, but it’s catching up to Climate Change, AI, and biological weapons as humanity’s self inflicted doom.
Damn, I was rooting for Skynet.
I’d deploy skynet tomorrow if I could. At least there’s a chance we win and there’s few enough people afterwards. Plus it’d be some epic history. Way better than “so they were selfish dumb assholes and made their own planet uninhabitable?” If some other sentient race comes along.
i mean, if we suffer a nuclear winter… it would probably solve the AI problem… the (current) climate change problem, and, uh, a lot of the other problems as we no longer care about shit like having TP on the shelves or what color the new car is gonna be.
And if Iran and Saudi Arabia get nukes, then Turkey will get nukes. And if Turkey gets nukes, then unless there is an EU army, Greece will want to get nukes.
Pretty sure there are NATO nukes sitting in Turkey already… it’s like the whole reason everyone pretends they aren’t a circus run by a toddler pounding the table to print more money as economic policy.
Ukraine is the only country to every voluntarily disarm their nuclear arsenal. Now invaded by Russia. Turkey gets to wave their dicks around and make demands at the big boy table despite being a complete joke of a country. I honestly can’t blame countries wanting to develope or obtain nuclear weapons anymore…
Pretty sure there are NATO nukes sitting in Turkey already
Those are US controlled nukes. And the US doesnt have the best relation with Turkey atm. They are there now, gone tomorrow. Turkey cant rely on american nukes. If other regional powers have nukes, they need to have nukes. And if Turkey has nukes, then Greece needs to have nukes for selfprotection.
Turkey gets to wave their dicks around and make demands at the big boy table despite being a complete joke of a country.
They have the 2nd biggest military in NATO, after the US, an immensely important geographical location and they are a regional power(along with Iran and Saudi Arabia).
Turkey doesn’t need nukes because it’s part of the strongest defensive alliance in the history of mankind. That’s enough deterrent for anyone who isn’t in that alliance.
NATO’s is not going to be part of Turkey’s geopolitical schemes. Nukes are needed in order to be on an even footing with the other regional powers(which will also have nukes). Even if Saudi Arabia/Iran never intend to nuke Turkey, they will be at an advantage.
Hard power translates to soft power. And if your regional opponents have nukes and you dont have nukes, you will be at a significant soft power disadvantage.
Btw Turkey is building its first nuclear power plant, with help from Russia. Saudi Arabia also intends to build nuclear power plants soon. Thats the first step to creating a nuclear weapon.
The crown Prince of Saudi should get a nuke up his ass.
I wouldn’t be against the Saudi royal family getting a nuke, if you know what I mean
