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It’s perplexing how a nation that once liberated the world from fascism is now becoming fascist and triggering fascist movements worldwide.

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Note that prior to getting involved in the war, there was substantial support for the Nazis among Americans. It’s always been there. It just got swept under the carpet for a few decades, though if you go back and look at the politics of the fifties, you’ll see mcarthyism and all sort of court cases on indecency and lots and lots of violence against homosexuals.

I don’t think I spelled mcarthyism correctly. It’s early and I’m not inclined to bother spell checking.

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It should also be noted that Adolf Hitler based some of his ideology off of the proto-fascism of pre-Civil War America (and the deep racial inequalities which persisted afterwards), and praised it his book Mein Kamph.

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Yeah, I’m absolutely not perplexed by American fascism in the slightest.

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I think we can also show we didn’t do what people think what we did when we look at things on a time line.

WW2 ended in 1945.

Emmett Till was murdered in 55. 10 years later. Ruby Bridges went to what was an all white school in 1960. That was 15 years later. The Civil Rights Act happened in 1964. 19 years later. The MOVE Bombing happened in 85. 40 years later.

The Stonewall Riots happened in 69. 24 years later. The UpStairs Lounge Arson attack happened in 73. Which was 28 years later. Harvey Milk was assassinated in 78. 33 years later. The Shelby bookstore murders happened in 87. So 42 years after.

We can sit here and list different events all day that happened after the war. We were the good guys off fighting evil, and those soldiers would totally hate the bigotry we see today… Except there’s a good chance that tbe vast majority of them weren’t any better. Even the black soldiers still weren’t allowed to fight with the white ones. We were fighting fascism over there while it was still happening over here.

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McCarthyism, close enough lol

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Stopping fascism wasn’t the point. After liberating the camps, they even threw the homosexuals right back in. (Source)

They were just worried that the USSR was going to beat them to Berlin, and then keep going across the entirety of Europe. Likely a valid concern, to be fair.

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a nation that once liberated the world from fascism

It’s gross how USAins keep parroting this nationalistic bullshit about their role in ww2.

You guys didn’t liberate anything by showing up late for the war, and you tried your damnedest to spread your abhorrent racism in every country you landed in.

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Yeah, nah. You had it right up until we didnt help liberate anything. France seemed pretty appreciative of our help then and now. Not arguing the “abhorrent racism” par it is true and we’re continually working on it. Generational issues don’t get solved overnight.

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As a person of Dutch descent who is alive today because US GIs liberated a concentration camp right before my grandmother starved to death, this is extremely offensive, and you can go fuck yourself with your puerile contrarianism.

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Shutting down a few concentration camps is not ‘liberating the world from fascism’.

My grandparents and their families were in the camps too, and most didn’t come out alive. I’m not detracting from the atrocities of ww2 by telling the American to stop spouting propaganda.

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While a romantic prose, I wouldn’t go saying they liberated the world of anything like that until it was almost too late.

But when they finally did fight, fuck yeah, they fought.

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Speaking of revisionism, saying the Kuomintang (because the CCP didn’t do shit in that war), helped eradicate Nazism when they solely fought Japan while also pretending the Soviets didn’t steal all the scientists they could find is pretty up there as well.

Their version was called Operation Osoaviakhim btw.

And it took about 1,000 more specialists than Paperclip did. 2500 compared to 1600.

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It’s perplexing how people once liberated from nazism act like nazi and get litterally a wild card.

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Wtf are you talking about

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I love it, objected to by “Moms for Liberty”. I guess that works in fascist land where words mean the opposite of what they are.
And leave it to one of these bullshit ‘Liberty’ or ‘Patriot’ organizations to completely distract from the point that Anne Frank was a teenage girl growing up in an attic, hiding from an insanely hateful political group/police who wanted to kill her and her entire family.

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“Moms for Liberty” is a straight up hate group. Like, I’m not doing that hyperbole thing. They are racist bigot fascists dead set on white, straight supremacy.

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No offense man, and I’m not an expert on this group, but the fact you chose to use so many buzz words tells me they probably aren’t all those things. Misguided maybe, but people will take you more seriously if you don’t use the hyperbole you claim to not use.

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Feel free to prove me wrong.

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One of their first group letters had a quote from Hitler on it. And it wasn’t like the old memes where they didn’t know. They credited it as from Hitler. They pit a Hitler quote on the front page. Let that sink in. We get insulted for calling people Nazis and racists, but they literally put a quote from Hitler on the front page.

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I should build a special little bookshelf with books banned by moms for liberty just for my kids.

Edit: talked to my SO, we’re going to do a Little Free Library of them

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I doubt anyone will achieve the latter, but yes. These days the words Liberty and Patriot have been hijacked by regressive, reactionary religious fanatics.

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Every teacher in that school should read that book to their class in protest.

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They’d fire every single teacher. These are Republicans - they don’t want kids getting good educations cause your average educated person doesn’t vote Republican

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They specifically don’t want good sex educate, because that teaches about consent, instead of ownership

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The graphic novel, written by Ari Folman and illustrated by David Polonsky, adapts the diary of 13-year-old Anne Frank, who wrote while hiding in an annexe in Nazi-occupied Amsterdam. Eighth-grade students were reportedly shown a section of the graphic novel where Frank reflected on her own genitals and wanted to see a female friend’s breasts, according to KFDM.

So basically exactly like all of the 13 yr olds in the class, who are probably taught at home how their body parts are shameful.

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Were they specifically shown just that part? Or was it part of reading the entire thing? I could see how the first scenario would be a bit odd and would like more context but if it’s just in the book they were reading then this article is kind of misleading.

Also agree with you that this is totally normal thing for 8th graders to think about… the book was written by someone their own age for fucks sake.

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From an interview with David Polonsky, the illustrator:

In illustrating those more sensitive pages, Polonsky says he took great care to make sure nothing was too explicit for young readers.

Frank’s musings about vaginas are illustrated with a black and white swirl, inspired by painter Georgia O’Keefe’s famously vaginal flowers, he said. When Frank ponders female nudes, Polonsky draws her walking through a garden surrounded by Greek sculptures.

“I took inspiration from Anne’s own world. She was really into Greek art and sculptures,” he said. “I decided to show the nudes through classical marble sculptures, which I believed six years ago would be a mainstream thing that wouldn’t be too controversial.”

The illustrations from the book.

Georgia O’Keefe’s famously vaginal flowers

This book was out for six years before it became a “problem”. Real “someone think of the poor children” bullshit moral panic that is thinly disguising its fascism.

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That would have been my assumption but I always like to get as much detail about situations like this as possible in case something is being misrepresented to push a particular agenda. Looking at your links I have to agree with you.

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People really need to harp on about this more. It’s become the hardest argument for gun control to refute.

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Any argument for gun control is hard for them to refute. The difference with this one is that they don’t bother trying. They’ve yet to offer a good rebuttal for any gun control argument.

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We accept some criminals escaping justice so that we minimize the number of innocent people who are deprived of their freedom. Most people don’t find that provocative. It’s the same basic argument to say that we accept some lesser evil (gun violence) to ensure a greater evil does not come to pass (tyranny). Assuming the first condition leada to the second.

If that protective mechanism (an armed populace) were functioning adequately, you would expect to see at least some fringe evidence of it both being active, and creating a benefit for society (ostensibly causing tyrants to back off). Bad as things are getting, we don’t see evidence of either. Each day it becomes clearer that the argument is invalid.

I live in the south. I know lots of gun owners. Every one of them bases their whole concept of this right on self defense and civil duty. It’s convenient to think that it’s as simple as gun owners want to be able to play at being tough and have dangerous toys, and don’t care about anyone else getting hurt. You’re also not going to.change anyone’s mind if you don’t get to the reasons they actually believe what they do, right or wrong.

Just my 2 cents.

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The courts have ruled that the 2a is an inalienable right, and the rest are up for debate… honestly surprised they haven’t debated overturning the NFA

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