I had some pretty brutal discussions with my dad who is a hardcore liberal of the “the answer lies somewhere between the middle of left and right” type. He agrees with a lot of socialist stances and class war but refuses to acknowledge that a revolution is needed to achieve socialism, that killing people wouldn’t make us better than the owning class and that violence is bad and that we should try to change the system by voting that voting will bring lasting change and not a revolution…all this kind of crap. He thinks that i got too “radicalized” and that im stuck in a bubble of propaganda and now he wants to have more control of the media i consume and that when he sees me watching or reading an article that i show him the sources of these articles. He really wants me to “keep an open-mind” which to him literally just means returning to being a liberal. The more of these discussions i have with my father the more i feel a distance between us and i would love if we just ignored our political opinions and kept living our lives how we always did but he insists that i am being groomed by some megalomaniac organization or a goofy ah evil person to join some kind of leftist jihad: “Yes you are entitled to have your opinion but you should also keep an open mind but the problem is that your opinion is not correct” that all i hear from him.
The topic of using violence is definitely a hard line for many people that they will not budge on.
The truth is is that almost anybody will commit or at least condone violence if the situation is dire enough, but for many of us Westerners and our parents it simply isn’t, and they will refuse to think they would budge on this because to them, the situation will never be that dire (even though in reality electoralism has done nothing to stop us killing millions in wars, coups, and causing climate change).
I’m not sure what the best route would be, continuing to try and frankly talk about it or continuing to casually drop it. I myself tried for years to talk politics with my mom but I finally had to let go and realize that she would never condone any tradition that has a history of pragmatic violence, and that it was that simple, and nowadays we get along great, and I just don’t talk politics with her.
I just never discuss politics with my parents because they are nips deep in fascism and I can do nothing to change their views because they have zero interest in listening to anyone.
Sorry to hear this. It’s difficult. Try not to fall out with your parents over it.
My main advice is to not talk politics with your parents. At the moment, it sounds like they can effectively prevent you from reading what you want to read. But even without that, if you fall out with them over politics, you may regret it if they’re otherwise normies.
Especially don’t try to propagandise your father. Maybe when you’ve read more you can talk again. IME the more theory you read, the more mellow you will become. But from the point at which you accept the conclusions of Marxism up until you mellow, you get more and more combative as you realise you disagree with everyone but you can’t explain or articulate why they can’t see that you’re right; it’s frustrating because it feels like people aren’t listening to you. Eventually you learn why. That’s when it gets easier. Until then, it’s too likely to turn into the heated arguments that you describe.
Perhaps taking a step back in the agitprop at home will help your parents to relax more about what you’re reading; giving you the space to develop without censorship. It is going to look like you’re being radicalised by extremists if you’ve gone from ordinary liberal to bringing up Marxism at every meal. It’s understandable that non-Marxists will be concerned about that.
If that doesn’t work, read theory-theory by lesser known Marxists. Most liberals don’t know, because they don’t read Marxist theory, that Marxists, including Marx, develop arguments through a critique of facts and liberalism. So if you were to look at a list of the sources cited in the articles, you would mainly see a list of liberal texts. The fact that even Marx is mentioned isn’t indicative of the work being Marxist, either, because anti-Marxist works will have to cite Marx to challenge him. And almost any Marxist text can be re-framed and explained as a critique of Marxism because almost every one identifies problems in other Marxist works.
“You’re in a propaganda bubble! I need to restrict your access to media outside my bubble so that you aren’t in such a bubble!”
Riiiiiight…
Sounds like you live at home still, I wouldn’t rock the boat too much until you have autonomy. You don’t want to have a terrible relationship with someone who still controls a good portion of your decisions. Other than than that, we’ve all felt this. In my 30’s and my conversations with family are kinda going the same way. It’s ironic when someone says you’re falling for propaganda, while they still believe the lies spread by corporate media that have been clearly debunked.
Good luck comrade!
