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"he said he vetoed this bill because the fund the state uses to pay unemployment benefits will be nearly $20 billion in debt by the end of the year.

The fund the state uses to pay unemployment benefits is already more than $18 billion in debt. That’s because the fund ran out of money and had to borrow from the federal government during the pandemic, when Newsom ordered most businesses to close and caused a massive spike in unemployment. The fund was also beset by massive amounts of fraud that cost the state billions of dollars."

The reasoning and background, if anyone is curious

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I want to know more about the fraud. At what level is/was the fraud happening?

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Also the “Newsom ordered most businesses to close.” I guess I thought it was a pandemic that had ordered most businesses to close?

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PPP was notoriously fraudulent. Big corps we’re taking PPP loans

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I thought the whole point of paying you union dues was that when a strike happens, the union covers a portion of your salary like unemployment.

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It’s not an unlimited fund, which is why the UAW strike isn’t at every single plant for example. Policies like this would greatly strengthen unions by allowing much longer and more widespread strikes.

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Which is where Newsome’s line is.

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Strike pay is only $500 a week plus insurance coverage. It’s hard to live on that when strikes can last 6 months or even a year

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What kind of strikes last 6 months to a year???

99% of strikes last much, much less. No manufacturer in the world can last 6 months without workers. No software company can last 6 months without workers. No fast food company lasts 6 months without workers. No train, bus or airplane company lasts 6 months without workers.

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Small ones that you don’t hear about. Locals with less than 200 members wind up striking much longer because they’re less threatening. The longest strike in US history was 11 years. Strikes can last longer than you might think. The company just hires scabs. A couple years ago, 200 miners were on strike for 1029 days under the United Steelworkers.

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Playing devil’s advocate but what would be the point in working if you got paid similarly by just striking? A worker’s strike is a gamble and always has been. In this instance the workers do not have the upper hand because demand for domestic made vehicles has plummeted and automation is nearly capable of replacing the workers.

Another thing I don’t understand is this isn’t unemployment. This is chosen by the worker and the union and so it’s not unemployment but refusal to work.

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The other side of the argument is how can you get away with exploiting your workers if they have the option of striking comfortably?

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I understand that. But a strike isn’t them being forced to stop working by their employer. It isn’t like being laid off. They chose to stop working when the alternative is to work and get paid.

You don’t get employment insurance when you voluntarily quit a job.

If they want a bigger strike pay, they need to either contribute more or join a bigger union that has the financial means to support them thanks to higher number of participants.

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Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure UAW is the best paying strike pay in the US. It’s also the 6th biggest union. The point is that the company has a much bigger advantage for surviving a strike than workers do. Getting unemployment would help level the playing field.

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What you claim is your position. Some agree. Others don’t.

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That’s what Teamsters does. No idea what’s going on here.

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The fund ran out of money. What a fucking mess. How can a state simultaneously have the richest companies in the world and not be able to fund basic social support systems?

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But it’s the good state

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How is this world news? Doesn’t America have enough news communities?

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Murica is the world, duh

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If only workers paid into the unemployment fund every paycheck, then there’d be no argument for keeping their money from them. Oh, wait… we do.

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Unemployment is funded by a tax on employers, not employees.

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That’s not how tax incidence works. A tax is applied to the transaction, and its burden depends on who has more bargaining power, not on who writes the check.

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It’s called FUTA. Look it up. Also, there’s likely a state equivalent wherever you reside.

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This is 100% correct. Sadly it’s not as transparent as it should be and quite a lot of corporations have ways of getting around it. Not to mention during COVID there was a lot of taking from the fund but nearly no returning.

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No, you don’t, lol. Your employer does.

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