What’s with all the downvotes?
Saw a few threads get blasted, and a de-federation post - did I miss the drama?
Same kind of humorless dolts who inhabit left spaces on reddit and are a uniquely a product of reddit’s culture of total conformity. Leftblr used to make fun of them all the time. Speaking from my own experience, I am a tankie, or at least most would accuse me of being such. But I didn’t pass the Lemmygrad purity test, and they blocked my registration because I said gender is fake and gay on my application (gay used as a pejorative). Not saying I didn’t or deserve a warning but yeesh context matters. Which is my personal experience, but if they are that way toward other communists, they are going to be way harder on perceived liberals so most people don’t like seeing their posts day to day.
But I didn’t pass the Lemmygrad purity test, and they blocked my registration because I said gender is fake and gay on my application (gay used as a pejorative).
Wow, I actually have a small bit of respect for them now. Didn’t think that was possible.
Tell me you have never interacted with a gay person without telling me you have never interacted with a gay person. I trust gay people to tell me when they are uncomfortable with my choice of phrasing, not faceless CIA agents behind a screen who can claim whatever identity suits them at the time. Sounds like you need to work on some of that ingrained homophobia, my lad, because that specific kind of labeling words of the gay community as bad is extremely common in TERF circles as well. Whole struggle sessions have been had over the word Lesbian as a pejorative, of which I assume you have no knowledge of. Drag queens express their sexuality by saying some of the vilest shit imaginable and they have done more for the LGBTQ community than a bunch MLs pretending they are the vanguard of the revolution because they misunderstood Democratic Centralism is an organization principle during a revolution not just for funsies.
I could quote Judith Butler’s Gender Trouble on the subject but I won’t since it is beyond the scope of this thread. However, with Don’t Say Gay being popularized with Desantis’s campaign, challenging liberal puritanism is a responsibility of anyone who considers themself left.
It’s funny you should say that, because in fact I have a gay sister who is extremely active in LGBTQ+ mental health as a licensed psychologist, a brother who is happily post-hrt trans, and am dating a trans male. No, I think you’re just an asshole. :)
Most of the gays I know don’t appreciate having their identity wielded as an insult. Sounds like you need to work on some of that ingrained homophobia.
You’d be surprised by how much innate anti communist propaganda there is on the internet. You should judge lemmygrad by it’s actions, not what you heard someone else say about the instance without any proof to back it up. The developers of Lemmy made lemmygrad as a separate instance because they knew not everyone is ready to engage in left leaning political discourse to that level, and wanted to create a space where leftists can be without persecution across the fediverse. The entire point is to keep any “tankies” being tankies in that instance, and you have to seek out the instance to engage with it. Yet you find people in other instances frothing at the mouth about the evils of people debunking their false platitudes.
There’s plenty of people on lemmygrad I disagree with on leftist politics/information but it’s a very reasonable community. If you actually provide your sources and proof and don’t convey it in a negative or condescending manner, they will engage with it fairly. I’ve never seen as many sources cited as in lemmygrad.
I think modern capitalist social media has just conditioned everyone to be incredibly vitriolic and hate people for “what” they are and not for anything beyond a label, and when liberal westerners come onto a site where they have to engage people who will call them out on their hypocrisy, they freak out. It’s also especially hard for these people to admit their hypocrisy cause so much of it is based in false information that is spread as cultural facts in the west, and have been since at least the red scare, so they don’t even identify it as propaganda.
There is definitely some pro CPC propaganda and apologists in Lemmygrad, but I can guarantee there is a lot more unjustified hate and propaganda against the CPC and all the good things they’ve done, in other spaces like Reddit and other Lemmy instances.
I’m just so done with the topic. I don’t want to engage in lengthy internet debates that benefit no one and only serve to reinforce each person’s initial stance. I have no interest either in debating against or in favor of tankies.
Although as far as my experience here on lemmy/kbin has been, the people who seem far more interested in making posts (not talking about this one) and constantly bring up the topic are anti-tankies. There seems to be a group of the community here that is fervently anti-tankie, and has to let everyone know at every chance how much they despise tankies and how evil tankies are and so on. These people are the most tiresome by far, at least in my experience, I have yet to come across any of the much dreaded tankie content. Maybe it’s because for some of the people in this group the mere fact (I don’t know how much of a fact is it and I honestly do not care) of the admins of lemmy.ml being tankies is enough to trigger their outrage and anger.
I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there’s been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse? I can guarantee you this new wave of fascism enjoys far more popular support than Marxist-Leninists have, or ever have in western countries. Seems like worrying over the mosquito that’s biting your arm while there’s a polar bear mauling the other side of your body. (Before anyone tries the “but tankies support fascism” gotcha, you should know actual Marxist-Leninists outside of these terminally online spaces do not support the current Russian imperial oligarchy, maybe people should also get informed about the concept of critical support, which is still very debatable)
I wish we had keyword filters on Kbin so I could be done with any and all content regarding the word “tankie”
Edit: To the very nice people who felt the need, Reddit-style, of just downvoting me without even taking part in the conversation. This goes out to you all: https://youtu.be/8mpeixSXYVU
How do I upvote you more than once?
Not only is your argument well thought out, but your observations closley match those I’ve seen.
I chronically search by all>new, and other than people reposting screenshots (from a month ago) of Grad’s outrage at being de-federated, I have yet to see tankie posts.
Honestly, I think the two sides (tankie and anti tankie) are both teenager/20s looking at their side with rose coloured glasses.
Have you heard of our bae communism? Never mind that ugly business in 1970s Cambodia tee hee.
Have you heard about our bae Fascism? Franco did nothing wrong!
Well for one I’m grateful to read at least someone thought it was a reasonable opinion because I’ve seem to have gotten a personal record of people mad.
I thought we could be done with the Reddit-style attitude towards downvotes (especially with votes being public and all), I’m talking about people who are not even in the conversation and just happen to be lurking and downvote because they don’t like your comment or whatever. Such a lame thing to do.
If you disagree with someone over the content of their comment you can reply with your thoughts. Save the downvotes for trolls, bad faith actors, people spewing hate speech (especially fascist rhetoric) and people who are aggressively argumentative to the point of being disrespectful. We can keep it civil if we exclude the usual suspects of hate and trolling.
if u disagree with someone over the content of their comment you can reply with your thoughts. Save the downvotes for trolls, bad faith actors, people spewing hate speech (especially fascist rhetoric) and people who are aggressively argumentative to the point of being disrespectful. We can keep it civil if we exclude the usual suspects of hate and trolling.
I made a post about exactly this.
I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there’s a been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse?
I won’t be playing the game of what-aboutism. Authoritarianism is bad no matter where it appears. It exists on both sides of the political aisle, and it should be rebuked every time, regardless of how prevalent you think it is on your team.
@JasSmith @Phyrin @BrokebackHampton
Can you show me an example of a hard-leftist shoving their ideology down someone else’s throat?
How about a Hard-Leftist that crafted, then got passed a law that restricts the choices of the hard-right?
Are there numerous cases of Leftists driving through crowds or maybe shooting up a synagogue, that I’m unaware of?
I’m not saying the Left is perfect, but I call bullshit on the equivocation of the 2 sides.
Can you show me an example of a hard-leftist shoving their ideology down someone else’s throat?
Sure. Last year Biden issued an executive order to enshrine gender transition for children across the entire nation. The vast majority of Americans oppose “gender affirming care” for children. In red states, support is even lower. Biden should have left this up to individuals, parents, and states, but instead decided that his and his party’s values should be shoved down the throats of the entire nation.
Are there numerous cases of Leftists driving through crowds or maybe shooting up a synagogue, that I’m unaware of?
Here is one mass shooter. Aiden Hale was trans, and killed students and teachers at a christian school. Aiden wrote a manifesto, but the police are yet to release it.
Here is another. Kimbrady Carriker is a BLM and pride supporting, cross-dressing, mass-shooter.
Here is a “non-binary” shooter.
Here is another trans shooter.
I fully expect you to play the game of “but they’re not REEEEEAL leftists,” and I don’t care. I’m not claiming that both sides are equivalent. I’m saying that authoritarianism is always bad, no matter where it appears.
I think they’re rebuking people for being hypocritical and not actually paying attention; like fascism really is the bigger danger rn, while most people in the US at least have like kneejerk negative reactions to the concept of communism
like it is not a “both sides are equally bad” thing
I’m just so done with the topic. I don’t want to engage in lengthy internet debates that benefit no one and only serve to reinforce each person’s initial stance.
Yep. I’ve learned this long ago. No use getting into an internet fight. It’s not going to change anything but your mood
there is a single post about lemmygrad
If you check the front page semi-regularly I’m sure you will have seen there’s a constant influx, to put it lightly, of memes complaining nonstop about Lemmygrad, tankies, tankie ideology and so on. I’m far from a very active user and I’ve been able to notice.
Sure, there are news articles being posted about fascism, but an equal response? Don’t be disingenuous. Where are all the memes about rising fascism? All the same outrage in the comments? The response is far from symmetrical.
were specifically talking about the marxists on these terminally online spaces that support the current russian imperial oligarchy.
Are we though? Cause most of the posts and comments seem to be addressing tankies as a whole. Not recognizing that these two are being used interchangeably to mean one and the same would be arguing in bad faith.
And implying Lemmygrad is an accurate representation of the current geopolitical positions of Marxist-Leninist communities in real life is laughable at best and a purposefully disingenuous strawman at worst.
Nobody likes tankies. With good reason.
Fair but this whole defederate from every group someone doesn’t like is getting tiring.
Unless they sharing CP, let the market place of idea do its thing…
Tankies lose their edge lord bravado once you post xi pooh meme or askt hem about tianiamen square
Fair but this whole defederate from every group someone doesn’t like is getting tiring.
I agree. Since I don’t like lemmygrad, I just block their communities. That’s a tool built into Lemmy to do exactly that. Problem solved. Everyone whining at this point wants to foment drama and control the experience for everyone. That kind of authoritarianism doesn’t belong here. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Is there a way yet to block an entire instance’s posts, or is that beyond what you can do as a user?
I have absolutely no interest in dealing with people who think it’s okay for site moderators to remove any criticism of China because of “orientalism”
I’m actually of two minds on this one
to give them the benefit of the doubt, a lot of “criticism” of China often boils down to sinophobia and a lot of Western internet users do not seem to be able to tell the difference
Privileged, uneducated western kids that spend too much time on social media telling others how the world should look like.
I’m from Eastern Europe and if anyone here said Stalin was good actually they would get their ass kicked pretty fast. A lot of people have lost family to the soviet occupation here and people defending that monster aren’t really welcome. So yea, if I see posts praising Stalin in All I downvote them.