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It seems like Beehaw want to create a closed community they can moderate. That kind of makes sense for their aims but they will need to defederate from more and more services to maintain that over time.

It seems a bit of a kneejerk in reaction to the influx of new users but essentially it means they’ll not be part of the fediverse, and they risk creating an echochamber. It’s rather the opposite of their stated aim of creating a diverse community, and will probably stymie their growth going forward.

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It seems like Beehaw want to create a closed community they can moderate. That kind of makes sense for their aims but they will need to defederate from more and more services to maintain that over time.

It seems a bit of a kneejerk in reaction to the influx of new users but essentially it means they’ll not be part of the fediverse, and they risk creating an echochamber. It’s rather the opposite of their stated aim of creating a diverse community, and will probably stymie their growth going forward.

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It’ll get better with time but yeah I agree it’s clunky and buggy at the moment. Kbin (kbin.social or fedia.io) seems to be a more stable alternative but have their own bugs and issues.

I’m not sure I’d give up on it though; maybe come back and forth and see how it gets on. It isn’t meant to be an instant Reddit replacement, but the increased interest will spur more people to help with development and some communities seem to be reaching critical mass to be sustainable.

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The original Reddit was definitely rough. But it was also an open source project and grew with time, until the company closed-sourced it in 2017 and went with the new redesign (which remains controversial with older redditors even now).

Tbf the fediverse (and Lemmy & Kbin as Reddit alternatives) is in a very impressive state for something that has been fairly small scale up to now. It’ll improve faster given the increased interest and as new devs decide to pitch in. Early reddit was exciting and chaotic; its a good time to be on a site like this.

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Yeah I think Beehaw have a clear ethos and want to protect that. I think the misunderstanding is from the new people influxing into Lemmy/Kbin (me included) - they don’t have to be a part of the wider Fediverse. They’re big by the standards of Lemmy/Kbin when people arrived so people are suprised that they don’t seem to “want” a big influx - they were expecting them to embrace redditors and want to be the new reddit. They understandably want to be able to moderate their communities and that’s difficult with the current tools. They may also want to screen their users which may not be ultimately sustainable in a federate model.

Beehaw will continue and succeed in it’s aims but it’s probably not going to be a big player long term, but I don’t think it wants to be the mass choice. Lemmy.world and Fedia.io / kbin.social at the moment seem like more likely bets long term as they’re embracing the growth, and analogous communities to big familiar Reddit communities are being created which will be clear places to go for future influxes.

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It’s early days so things are in flux. Communities will stabilise as they scale. I think people coming from Reddit misunderstand the Fediverse; I know I did - there does not need to be just one “federation” - some communities will be linked together in one federation and others will sit in their own separate instances or federations.

I think it’s likely there will be one (or more) large dominant popular/mass fediverse with a broadly shared ethos - and that currently looks like servers like lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, kbin.social, fedia.io etc - and numerous other smaller or focused fediverses of various sizes. Beehaw seems to be going that route at present for example (or at least until some of it’s concerns around moderation can be vetted). Once that alignment takes shape and communities mature, members of a broad federation would be disincentivised from defederating from each other.

The BeeHaw communities were larger and attracted people as they’d been longer established, but people swamped them and the moderation tools and vetting tools aren’t in place for Beehaw to maintain it’s ethos. I suspect it won’t federate in the near future with big instances (and I applaud that as their focus seems to growing their community more organically around their ethos), and in terms of users they’ll probably grow more slowly than the others. The large open Lemmy & Kbin communities in other servers are more likely to attract growth, but at present they’re chaotic and not established as communities.

Stability and reliability in terms of federation will grow out of this. New servers for example are going to likely want to federate with the established big Lemmy and Kbin servers as thats where the users are and so hopefully will be the content.

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I can understand the frustrations, Mozilla don’t get everything right.

But personally I much prefer their ecosystem to Chromiums. Chormium is compromised by Google’s control. The google driven Manifest V3 controversy around adblockers, and the FLoC privacy concerns are good examples of this.

Also there are only 3 major broswer engines left: Webkit, Blink and Gecko. Webkit and Blink are ultimately controlled & influenced by big tech corporations driven by commerical priorities including advertising, while Gecko is independent.

I’m not suggesting that is enough in itself. I do honestly personally like Firefox, but it certainly makes me much more forgiving of it when I consider the alternatives.

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And users for accepting it. But Apple’s users compromise a lot of freedoms in exchange for the benefits they percieve they’re getting. My only concern is many Apple users don’t actually know the compromises they are making as they’re not technically minded.

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I don’t get why you’re offended by someone jokingly pushing Linux?

To be fair, there are so many opportunities to make these jokes because of how Microsoft behaves that maybe that’s the real issue here?

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Yeah it’s quite an accomplishment to make the vastness of space feel claustrophobic and small.

Some of the response to the reviews is bizarre - one seems to try to claim that the planets are not boring because they’re realistic and the real world is boring, and that the player is probably just overwhelmed by the awesomeness of it all.

It almost feels like the game Devs have convinced themselves that they’ve been working on the greatest game ever made and when told “no you haven’t” they’re responding by saying “you just don’t get our vision”.

It’s an ok game. I’m actually less bothered by the loading screens and more by the old fashioned story telling. This game would have been amazing if released closer after Skyrim. But it’s been 12 years and we’ve had Witcher 3, Cyberpunk and Baldurs Gate 3 that have changed expectations. All of them are better at evoking a sense of emotional engagement with the game, and actions having meaningful consequences in the plot. Subplots like the bloody baron in Witcher 3, or Judy in cyberpunk have stuck with me in a way characters and events in Skyrim and now Starfield just never have.

Problem is I suspect Bethesda will focus on all the loading screen / sense of scale complaints and not register the more important (imo) issues with the stories, characters and gameplay. Less but better is the real lesson I think.

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