Hi! First post here. I’m a sh.itjust.works user who saw a lot of very well-thought out and cited comments from you guys on lemm.ee and blahaj. On my main account, I can see your stuff but you can’t see mine, so I thought I’d make an alt just to say that I do appreciate the thoughtfulness and patience you’ve shown on the wider fediverse as a group (at least that I’ve seen)

I consider myself a relatively moderate socialist, but I’m always willing to hear out perspectives and ideas that disagree with mine, and change my mind if suitably compelled by the facts.

Oh no! Not engaged conversation! Next thing you know, I’ll be forced into the comfy chair!

I’m just tired of every post on the frontpage being about the federation itself.

If this is anything like the reddit migration wave over on the sh.itjust.works side of the fence, it’ll die down. Reddit was all anyone there could take about for like 2 weeks until it was no longer the shiny new thing that everyone was talking about.

And I’m getting annoyed by hexbear’s obsessive need to “dunk” on lemmy users

Completely agree. The best conversations I’ve seen between hexbear users and the wider fediverse have been exactly that: conversations. Exchanges of ideas, and why both sides think the way they do. Hopefully that becomes the norm. I may not agree with all the stances I’ve seen around here, but it’s pretty obvious to me that the majority of you guys are communicating in good faith.

First of all, completely agree about the delineation between local and federated. Your house, your rules. Things get more complex when you’re visiting their house.

Assuming for the sake of argument that all your positions are 100% correct (I don’t know all your positions, can’t comment on what I don’t know, but anyway) there is an issue with your analogy: this’d be like saying most of the major high schools and universities are teaching flat earth theory, and it’s commonly accepted as true. An argumentum ad populum is of course not logically sound, but to a layperson is compelling. Especially when they grew up surrounded by those that believe in the flat earth. Not only that, but that a flat earth is the morally superior position. To those shouting insults at you and making shit up, not worth even engaging imho, but I’d argue it’s at least understandable where they’re coming from.

I did see some fairly compelling studies at the time I could dig up again about Russia’s vaccine only being 60% or so effective. Still, something is better than nothing, and the shameless cash grab from Bill Gates over vaccine patents was sickening.

Well, thanks for not being tired of explaining this to me :)

I’m still very firmly in the social democracy camp, but it would be the height of arrogance to claim that this is where I’ll sit permanently and that I know all the answers, and it sounds like you’re similar to me in that specific regard. I guess my big stumbling block with some of the views expressed here is the detachment if it’s against the “imperial core”. The idea of supporting Russia because of Critical Support, that it’s absolutely fine to ignore Ukrainian sovereignty and their wishes because NATO bad (not trying to put words in your mouth, this is my simplistic understanding of the position) seems incredibly apathetic to real people struggling to not get absorbed into the Russian empire.

Cheers. Treading carefully to not dox myself here, but here in Eastern Europe, my family and friends’ family have some personal history and grievances with the USSR’s puppet states. This is the reason why my natural instinct, correct or not, is to treat anything even vaguely positive about the USSR with extreme suspicion.

Thanks for your time and thoughts man, I appreciate it.

I think that’s very simplistic, especially when I try my best on a daily basis to push back against the pretty abhorrent racism that exists in my country. It is a fair criticism to say that I’m not as extreme as the average hexbear user appears to be, and I’m definitely not as bold or revolutionary, but I do take offence to the implication that my views are restricted to the betterment of one ethnicity.

I just went to google scholar to get the study, and apparently I’m very wrong. It was 87% effective at preventing hospitalization with 2 doses and 97% effective with 3. Either I accidentally swallowed some propaganda, was misinformed, or this study is wrong. I’m leaning towards the 2nd option.

Sounds like the guy is eastern European like me. Whatever you do, do not minimize the violent response of the Soviets in 1989. That’s a pretty huge moment for the region. Acknowledge the violence, acknowledge the messiness of the region, then make whatever point you wanna make.