I wonder if there are good phone apps for that. Good thoughts, although it’s hard for me to imagine being able to convince people to sit through an actual presentation on “So you’re being burned by liberalism:”

Virgin petty bourgeois sit down restaurant chain vs. Chad proletarian diner.

Yeah “vote for us or things will get worse faster” appears to have hit its breaking point as a useful strategy, assuming it ever was one.

For me it was Shaun. I was a lib already but in mostly conservative circles so I felt like I was a reasonable left wing person, but Shaun’s videos breaking down a lot of the right wing narratives and assumptions I had been given for how things work started me down the path reexamining the stuff I thought.

Make some slide decks

Like in an app on your phone? For reference during a conversation or just as practice?

I love these little metaphors he puts in, here from the end of 35.

“The monetary system is essentially a Catholic institution, the credit system essentially Protestant. “The Scotch hate gold.” In the form of paper the monetary existence of commodities is only a social one. It is Faith that brings salvation. Faith in money-value as the immanent spirit of commodities, faith in the mode of production and its predestined order, faith in the individual agents of production as mere personifications of self-expanding capital. But the credit system does not emancipate itself from the basis of the monetary system any more than Protestantism has emancipated itself from the foundations of Catholicism.”

I bet he’d be fascinated by how far credit systems have developed since he was around.

Yeah this is my thought. If NATO can’t actually force a win, which appears to be the case, then the best time to end it is immediately when you arrive so it looks like a thing you did on purpose.

Instead of NATO losing.

Their values:

I think we can use this to put the nail in the coffin of arguments about stalling or harm reduction. I think even people who find that convincing as a concept would have to concede that they’ve ridden that horse as far as it can carry them. It seems self evident that this is not a working strategy at this point.

So if you’re talking to a progressive/lib ask them what their plan was once they stalled as long as they could. Because they have.

What are you suggesting we blame it on? My gut impulse has been to say it was a bad strategy that didn’t mobilize the voters Dems won with before, while Trumps turnout was static. Which I think is kinda a turnout based argument but if that’s a mistake I want to catch and stop that now.