GarbageShoot [he/him]
Such a pathetically cowardly approach on his part
myself, as a cishet dude, to be telling trans people in the US that the negative outcome here was coming either way?
Are you being asked? Because I generally would not assume that trans people would either ask you, as a cishet, or hold unsolicited advice from you on this topic in high regard. I’d suggest just focusing on other issues.
The more pertinent thing might be that the candidate they were anointing historically had not a shadow of a chance at winning. Primaries aren’t a terribly good way of seeing who would do best in the general, but if you’re doing that cataclysmically bad, you probably shouldn’t just be handed the nomination anyway. It’s sincerely like they were trying to lose.
Thanks for clearing things up.
*One edit: regarding your chapter/national split, I mostly agree, but I think a situation poorly handled by a local chapter still does reflect poorly on the national org. They’re the local representative of the national org.
Yeah, I probably should have specified that this is true, but I was trying to avoid getting too in the weeds and made an error. My thing is that a chapter going to hell without the direct worsening of things by the national org is more a problem of negligence or poor construction of their onboarding systems, etc. rather than being culpable themselves of harboring abusers. Both are still harmful behaviors and should be treated as such and it’s possible PSL did both (the case is very murky, as you say), but I just want to be clear on the standards I’m asserting for guilt since it isn’t something one should speak lightly on.
Sure, that’s more like the “Catholic Church method”, as I called it, so then insinuations about the whole organization on the basis of that case are warranted.
That said, doesn’t the denial dox use the (potentially) real name of the girl who the boyfriend cheated on the alleged victim with, who the alleged victim alleged was another victim? The article only mentions that person by name in one place and doesn’t mention outing or doxxing. I don’t know, this is hard to follow.
I do need to defend myself though that I absolutely did not say anything should be ignored, I was simply saying that the scope of the claims and people’s actions should be kept in mind. It was PSL stepping in to deny this that is potentially the problem with “PSL” as an organization rather than “PSL Philadelphia” or whichever other chapter. Am I making sense? If some guy commits a murder, that doesn’t mean his whole household was complicit in it unless they actually do things to help him (accomplish it, get away with it, etc.). What I am saying is that if it was the guy (chapter) acting on his own, put him on trial and sentence him appropriately. It’s only if the household (overall organization) seemingly intervened at some point in the process that pronouncements like “the household is guilty” becomes relevant. And then you kindly provided evidence toward that latter end, so I agree with you that such pronouncements are relevant.
What he said was “the entire PSL”, not a branch, and that’s kind of the thing about these accusations, that they are raised to try to claim that the entire Party participated or even had any awareness of the reality of the situation in whichever specific chapter, which is not true. Maupin is a real example of what is being insinuated here, with the central leadership being aware of and covering up his actions, among other complicit acts.
I’m not batting for the branch here, cut it off and burn it for all I care, but we need to be clear about the real scope of what happened, and the implicit meaning of “PSL shields predators” is that a Maupin-like situation is happening or something else (like the Catholic Church method) where the PSL has any involvement. No such accusation has been made concretely that I have ever seen, even though insinuations to that effect get made all the time.
I’ll just trust you on the first part. I know Stalin got complaints (which also indicated that the scale was pretty big) and didn’t act on them, and that’s why I said he was negligent. If I remember right, Yezhov was honey-potted by a foreign power* and it used that to blackmail him (though of course sodomy was on the list of charges), but he absolutely was convicted on the basis of being a wrecker and trying to damage the SU by killing many people to destabilize it. Whether it is true that he was a wrecker or he was actually just a fall guy for a reckless operation, I don’t know. He definitely did also at one point admit to what he was ultimately convicted of, though he later claimed that he only did so under torture and was in fact innocent of most of those charges.
Per NATOpedia:
In his confession, Yezhov admitted to the standard litany of state crimes necessary to mark him as an “enemy of the people” prior to execution, including “wrecking”, official incompetence, theft of government funds, and treasonous collaboration with German spies and saboteurs. Apart from these political crimes, he was also accused of and confessed to a humiliating history of sexual promiscuity, including homosexuality, rumors that were later deemed true by some post-Soviet examinations of the case.
On 2 February 1940, Yezhov was tried behind closed doors by the Military Collegium, chaired by Soviet judge Vasiliy Ulrikh. Yezhov, like his predecessor Yagoda, maintained to the end his love for Stalin. Yezhov denied being a spy, a terrorist, or a conspirator, stating that he preferred “death to telling lies”. He maintained that his previous confession had been obtained under torture, admitted that he had purged 14,000 of his fellow Chekists, but said that he was surrounded by “enemies of the people”.
Again, I think the truth of the matter is unclear due to the relevant archival evidence not being open, but this is what the story is.
*I thought that was him but I’m having trouble finding it. I don’t think it was Yagoda, even though he too seemed to be what we would call bi, but it definitely happened to someone . . .
Some American liberal should go over and tell them that Trump will do genocide+ to them
