millennialchaos
Yea… those questions make no sense to ask Palestinians because they are the victims. Israel is the one that has established an ethnostate, kept Gazans in a concentration camp and is genociding them. It’s absolutely wild that you find equivalency in asking Palestinians to condemn Hamas and asking Israelis to condemn Israel. Hila served in the IDF and voluntarily joined a raid on Palestinian homes.
You and Ethan are perfect for each other, it seems. Disgusting zionist.
I did an in-depth ‘debunk’ of this study.
I want to highlight the most egregious part of it, to me at least. Here’s an excerpt from my article:
As we find later in Section 5.4, tankies have the most proportion of posts with high identity attack against Jews in the far-left community.
??? Let’s pull up that section quickly:
The Perspective API [92] is a widely used [9, 12, 26] tool for measuring toxicity. Although it has limitations, e.g., there are issues of bias and questions of performance when encountering conversation patterns that it was not trained on, at scale it provides a decent measure for comparison between online communities.
They used an API tool to analyze comments on the tankie subreddits. They specifically mention that it has limitations if it wasn’t trained on certain conversation patterns. The Perspective website doesn’t mention it being trained on Reddit comments or comments in leftist communities. This is junk science, of course.
Finally, we observe that tankies frequently target Muslims and Jews in their posts.
I’m not about to dig too deep into the way this API determines what constitutes an Identity Attack, since this study doesn’t even attempt to elaborate on it, but I’m going to assume that if it detects ‘hateful words’ in the same comment as a ‘named entity’ like Jew or Muslim, it just assumes the comment is attacking that entity.
Here’s the problem. A comment like this:
“Zionists are pieces of shit for assuming all Jews support Israel”
or this:
“Implying that the US gives a fuck about Muslims when they criticize China is delusional”
would likely be considered by this bot to be an attack against Jews or Muslims. Curiously, this report doesn’t provide a single shred of evidence of these attacks on Jews or Muslims. But, in the ‘C.1 Qualitative Validation’ section, they do give some examples of the toxic comments that this bot identified. Not a single one is specifically about Jews or Muslims.
Here’s two examples:
To me, boarding schools serve as schools for potential terrorists, and China’s approach seems more humane than the US’s
and
Zionism equates to Fascism.
Neither comment is an Identity Attack against Muslims or Jews. The first is talking specifically about the small portion of Uyghurs that China has identified as being radicalized, not all Muslims. The second is about Zionism, which as this study pointed out, does not mean all Jews. Neither one contains the word ‘Jew’, or ‘Muslim’, anyway.
Hmm, I wonder why they omitted that. Because the truth doesn’t fit the ‘tankie bad’ narrative they are pushing? This is research misconduct, pure and simple, and this singular example of evidentiary omission should cause any non-tankies reading this study to dismiss it in its entirety. But of course, it won’t.
I think it’s useful to point out hypocrisy. Supporting both Ukraine and Israel is nonsensical. Palestine is infinitely worse off than Ukrainians, who don’t live under apartheid and had at least some sovereignty (aside from their US masters). Palestinians have none. Yet liberals still will support the fascist ethnostate over the brown people.
I’m permanently banned from reddit, but try posting about this on their subreddit. Watch how fast they delete it.
Yea… I’ve been watching every single second of their coverage of this conflict, and I have NO FUCKING IDEA why you would defend this lib.
Ethan has CONSTANTLY been talking about things only from the Israeli perspective, even while almost 3000 Palestinians including over 700 children have been slaughtered by his country. He routinely perpetuates Israeli state propaganda, including scolding his chat(and turning it off) for DARING to question the pink blood picture that the Israel twitter account released. He refuses to question propaganda like the ‘beheaded babies’ nonsense
Hila has compared the Hamas freedom fighters to NAZIS IN THE HOLOCAUST. She brought up anti-semitism when this situation has literally nothing to do with that. She’s putting out weird israeli persecution complex drawings that show Hamas shooting babies in strollers. She’s a fucking zionist, through and through.
In that Leftovers episode you posted, Ethan finally pretended to admit that Palestinians have no one in the world protecting them, and then proceeds to try to ‘gotcha’ Hasan multiple times by trying to get him to condemn random tweets, including a video of a PALESTINIAN REFUGEE, who simply called Hamas freedom fighters. She was kicked out of her country, and he needs everyone to condemn her words. He finished the episode by bringing up a Hasan clip where he said the IDF routinely rapes Palestinians, and tried to gotcha him again by DENYING THAT THE IDF RAPES PALESTINIANS. He used ChatGPT as he always fucking does to do his ‘research’, and apparently could only find one single source for IDF rapes, which he denounced because the specific link he had contained no sources. The organization was CAIR, which is very reputable, and his crew member AB’s dad WORKS FOR THEM. He sat there denouncing the crimes of the IDF and denouncing a human rights organization that his muslim employee’s dad works for. It’s fucking gross.
Why hasn’t Ethan or Hila apologized for this podcast, where she admits she helped steal Palestinians from their home in a ‘terrorist city’ BECAUSE SHE WAS BORED???
Stop defending lib zionists. Grow up.
EDIT: also, read this: https://millennialchaos.substack.com/p/if-you-dont-uncritically-support There’s more shit that I didn’t even mention here, like Hila denying that Israel persecutes Palestinians daily.
