thatfuckinglinuxguy
Yeah, much as I really really love Fedora, I think the new RHEL source policies are going to hurt the Red Hat brand more than help it… I think Debian and Suse stand to benefit more from this than RH.
Also, I see most articles/people talking about this in terms of Alma and Rocky and I’m sure that’s part of it but does anyone else get the sense that this was more aimed at Oracle Linux to gtfo their asses and make their own shit? Nothing to back that up, was just my own gut feeling and curious what others think.
Edit: thought I’d add some context… just in case some of you haven’t been keeping up with the news, referring to this:
Phoronix: Red Hat Now Limiting RHEL Sources To CentOS Stream
Also related:
Rocky Linux Shares How They May Continue To Obtain The RHEL Source Code
I don’t think that really justifies a lot of the comments I’m seeing in Reddit alternatives threads that it’s hard to figure out.
Haven’t been back there and didn’t read the comments…
But I think I can understand to a degree:
- Too many choices: Picking an instance can be confusing for folks that are used to only having to remember 1 name. I personally think this is a bit like people trying Linux for the first time and getting confused by all the choices available. Basically, it’s what some people call “analysis paralysis” but add to that the fact that you’ll get 12 different recommendations from every 10 people you all (e.g. there’s no clear consensus on the “best” one bc “best” means something different to each person). I think one list I saw on GitHub literally had over 200 instances… For non-techies, I could see that being a bit confusing
- UI differences: some things like making a post on kbin are a bit different (IMO not bad but still different enough that I could see some folks getting confused). Doing searches on lemmy for specific topics (not finding communities but searching for something in a community) is done from a different area on lemmy than on Reddit and IMO is kind of a pain in the ass currently. And on kbin, frankly, I’m not even sure we have that feature at all.
- Missing features: haven’t tried mobile apps (which could again be another point of confusion) but for desktop at least, AFAIK we don’t have anything comparable to RES yet. There’s no analog to multireddits. And we don’t have anything similar to reddit’s Saved feature yet. All valid complaints in my opinion. And someone used to any or all of those, might spend a lot of time looking bc they just don’t know if it’s hidden or does not exist. So, yeah, I could see so confusion there too.
I think there are a lot of advantages they’re probably missing too. I like that kbin/lemmy we can choose whatever fucking avatar we want instead of being limited to customizing our snoz or wtf Reddit calls their mascot thing. I saw one guy mentioning how there’s no karma bullshit to deal with for new accounts and absolutely agree with that sentiment.
tealdeer; meh, I like the fediverse and it’s not hard for me but I’m not shitting on people who don’t get it. If they want help, would probably help but not going to push it on people either. It is what it is and that’s good enough for me
If you mean, does it delete your data… Not exactly. IIRC when you delete your account it disassociates your comments and your screen name (e.g. your comments remain but it shows as [deleted] instead of your s/n). But doesn’t actually “delete” your data. What I mean is that in their databases, likely they still retain your email address/screen name/ip address/browsing history/etc, even if you take the time to delete comments and posts before you delete the account.
But more importantly, I don’t believe that OP is entirely correct (last line is wrong) either. Doing this just requests a report on what data they have about you. It does not say anywhere that they will get rid of the data. As to whether or not you can request the report after deleting your account… I have no idea. Possibly but I would imagine they would make the excuse to say they can’t though.
Pretty sure the last line of image is not correct anyway: AFAIK doing this doesn’t wipe your data; it requests Reddit to compile a report on all the data they have on you. It does still waste time of the employees, which spez/Reddit ultimately have to pay for… But doesn’t do fuckall for removing data unfortunately. At least that was the impression I got from reading their page on it and googling.
Would love if it did… I already deleted all my comments and posts (the hard way… over the course of many bathroom breaks) but I still don’t like them having ip logs and browsing history which I can guarantee you that they keep. And AFAIK they are under no legal obligation to delete that kind of data, especially for users in the US, but I think even for Europe, ip address/email/browsing history/screen name would not be considered as personal identifying information (pii) in most cases and probably no way to force them to get rid of it, unless you’re some kind of 1337 h4x0r dude.
Press F to say “Fuck u/spez” ? lol
it’s not “my opinion” though, it’s something Beehaw’s owners have stated multiple times over the past however long have I had an account there.
Your opinion or theirs. It’s obvious that you agree with it. I’m not trying to persuade you to have a different opinion. I really don’t care.
I do appreciate you not hiding the fact that you are a member there.
But my point is that just because they give some rationale that sounds good at first glance, that doesn’t mean that I am incorrect either.
I think any group that is restricting registration of new users - regardless of their goals or justification - is being elitist because it is restricting to only people some select few in charge deem “worthy” or in some cases, such as tildes random invite drops with extremely short time-windows, are more likely to gather users in particular time zones/regions. Maybe you dislike me using the term “elitist” for this but to my thinking, they are essentially trying to create echo chambers and are considering large segments of the Internet population as undesirables. They can put a marketing spin on that and call it “weeding out racists” or creating a safe space whatever they want but it doesn’t change the underlying facts. I see plenty of sites that avoid these kind of things without resorting to such exclusionary tactics.
And if this comes across as me trying to pin that solely on beehaw, that’s not my intent. I feel equally so about tildes. Again, you may disagree. That’s fine. I don’t care either way. I am very passionate about free speech, even for those I dislike and disagree with. And it is less that I wish to look down on beehaw/tildes/etc and more that currently, my opinion of them is that they are promoting censored communities, which is something I am opposed to. Perhaps that isn’t actually the case, or maybe they will change things. My opinion isn’t set in stone, and I am happy to revise it if and when new information presents itself. But as things stand now, that is how I see things.
Heh good one. Meant it more in the sense that they would probably not allow such a name there but yes, let’s go with me trying to be “edgy” ;-)
Anyway, as I said in my previous comment, I am not advocating to defederate with them. But if they later get butthurt about something on kbin and decide to defederate us, I doubt that I would even spare it a thought.
Edit: typos
I think this would mostly only really impact a select few who are trying to do a fresh install with 6.3 kernel, as very few live discs use proprietary drivers during install (is it only PopOS that does that?). Even then most mainstream distros wouldn’t have had live discs with 6.3 (Fedora 38 did not and I’m guessing all Debian based ones had an older kernel). Not sure about Arch and OpenSUSE tho
Anyway, the good news is that there’s already a patch for this out with 6.4 so even those handful that would have been affected should be fine now:
Who wants to write and test the code patches? …
::silence so pure that it is almost a sound in itself::
