Hungary’s interior ministry claimed the deal would improve safety in tourist hotspots or during events that attract large numbers of spectators.

But the plan has drawn criticism from those concerned the agreement will be abused by communist China, which has a lengthy record of human rights abuses.

The patrols could be the first step to establishing secret police stations or used to intimidate the overseas Chinese community, they warned.

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50 points

Why does China need to extend its police to patrol globally exactly?

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Lets them spy on Chinese nationals who are studying and working in the west

That’s also the big thing security experts are actually worried about when they talk about the threat posed by TikTok,

It’s not that it spies just on you, it’s that your instance is also spying on everyone around you. It’ll identify Chinese nationals in your proximity and start collecting data on what they’re up to, and if Beijing doesn’t like what they’re seeing, those police will pay them a visit, not to arrest them of course, just to let them know how disappointed their families will be in them…from inside the reeducation camp.

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15 points

Does Hungary have a lot of Chinese expats?

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If the number is more than 1, then according the Beijing, yes.

Also Hungary is close enough to everyone else that the occasional espionage agent can slip into the rest of Europe more easily

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According to 2022 census data 18000 Chinese nationals live in Hungary, 15000 from that live in Budapest, they are the most popolous foreign community there.

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As far as expats go, yes, Chinese are probably the largest group, their numbers are estimated around 18k now (used to maybe 50k in the 90s) but this is a lower estimate, since a lot of them are here without a citizenship. In 2013 a visa program was started when they could basically buy a citizenship if they buy government bonds for 250-300k€ (plus they pay a handling fee of 50k for a politician’s company).

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They do it covertly, too.

China wants to maintain full control of anyone who it views as it’s citizens (importantly distinct from actual citizens), regardless of whether or not they’re in China, and regardless of whether or not they have PRC citizenship or not.

Most nations would object to this, especially if it involves the PRC exerting jurisdiction within the host country’s borders, potentially on the host country’s citizens, and almost certainly on the host country’s legal residents. Orban, evidently, does not.

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Not to defend either, but why does the United States. It’s wrong for either. But at least if a country’s leadership invites them in. That’s on the leadership. And while I’m still for basic gun control. Hungary, if you’re listening, don’t let them take all your guns. As much as the cult members in the US babble about nothing. If it ever actually happened, the outcome has never been good.

  • I dearly love all these down votes. LOL. By being unhypocritical and consistent, it’s somehow enough to piss all of y’all off. Even though I agree that China doing this is bad. Simply because I said it’s bad when the US has done it in the past as well. You all lose your shit.

  • Actually looking back on this now. I can kind of see how this may have stirred up so many of you. I said China was wrong for doing this. That stirred up the Marxist leninists and tankies. But also pointed out that it’s wrong for America or any other country to do that. Which brought out a screeching horde of neoliberal apologists and imperials. Then I said I supported gun control. Which stirred up the hornet’s nest of conservatives. But said that they should protect their access to guns to defend themselves against what’s to come. Which just pissed off neoliberals again. I guess there’s something mildly heartwarming about it. When you can see groups that so often hypocritically fight against each other so much. Actually be able to come together and attack the same thing/person. Because their shared hypocrisy was exposed.

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29 points

Do US police patrol the streets of cities overseas? First I’ve heard of it.

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Military police? Absolutely. China’s police are in service to the state much like military police. It definitely tracks.

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Military and military police absolutely have. Afghanistan, Iraq, hell even Japan after the war for a while. There absolutely is a similarly.

  • Oh, and how could I have forgotten the actual literal US police action in Asia. Vietnam…
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Simply because I said it’s bad when the US has done it in the past as well.

This a great example of “whataboutism”.

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No, “whatabautism” is when the response tries to change the subject.

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No. Whataboutism is when I say “America did it. Therefore China can.” I literally said it was wrong for the US and China. It’s the opposite of whataboutism. I’m not sure if everyone’s reading comprehension is failing them today. But there was literally no what aboutism involved.

The only thing remotely possibly controversial somehow? Was the fact that I said that they had been invited by the leadership of Hungary and therefore pushed the blame to hungary’s leadership? I’m not sure how that’s controversial. It’s a simple fact. They invited China in. But then pretty much all of you down voting are doing it reactionarily and emotionally. Based on things other than what was said.

Here’s The literal first two sentences I wrote. Please point out that whataboutism in it

Not to defend either, but why does the United States. It’s wrong for either. But at least if a country’s leadership invites them in. That’s on the leadership.

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I think people are pissed off because you state your point in such bad grammar that it borders on unintelligible and vaguely sounds supportive of the Chinese action… And then turn around and write 3 paragraphs against the haters instead of formating your original text.

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