• Trump “will not give a penny” more to Ukraine if he becomes president, Hungary’s prime minister said.
  • That’s how Trump plans to end the war, Viktor Orbán, who met Trump at Mar-a-Lago, said.
  • The Trump campaign has not said whether the pair discussed Ukraine during the visit.
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12 points

Good job entirely (and, I think, intentionally) misinterpreting the whole fuckin’ context of the situation.

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11 points

Check out what community they moderate, it’s very telling.

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I just miss the era when the vast majority of Americans were on the same page regarding potentially dangerous geopolitical crap. Politics used to end at the water’s edge for the most part, but not anymore.

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Everyone now just chooses a “side” and blindly defends it, no matter how wrong it is. There is zero room for nuance. It’s exhausting to talk to people like Wintermute who will ignore all evidence that is contrary to their opinions and will resort to bad faith arguments every single time. And then blindly accuse othet people of doing the same when called out.

Politics have gone to hell and we’re all worse off for it.

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Be more clear in your point. I get you don’t like Trump but what he said was true.

Now everyone is scurrying because he was right.

Hate the man as much as you want but at the end of the day, he was right.

You fight a war with the Army you have, not the one you can build in the next five years. Europe has not taken their defense seriously, and it isn’t our job to spend our money to defend Europe. It is our job to help in their defense.

Putin was a wakeup call to Europe and hopefully they leaned you always need to be prepared for war.

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Ok, sure, let’s play your game.

Let’s say Trump gets in, and the US fucks off from NATO. What then?

Outline the ramifications for me. I have a pretty concrete idea of what the fallout would be, but I want you to tell me what you think would happen, in your own words.

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Easy Trump says we are leaving NATO then he finds out he can’t. So the united states stays in NATO. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/12/16/congress-nato-exit-trump/

I get Trump is the baba yaga to most people but congress was smart enough to cover their bases.

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