• Trump “will not give a penny” more to Ukraine if he becomes president, Hungary’s prime minister said.
  • That’s how Trump plans to end the war, Viktor Orbán, who met Trump at Mar-a-Lago, said.
  • The Trump campaign has not said whether the pair discussed Ukraine during the visit.
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Lmao of course Putin’s allies know trumps plans.

They are Putin’s plans.

If we genuinely allow this man to run for president and evade jail time, we should genuinely start building guillotines.

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I don’t live in US but I’m immensely surprised he can still run for President with all the things going on with him.

Thought by now he would’ve been sent to jail/prison.

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Unfortunately, a lot of our government is crooked as hell and Trump was basically able to put people that align with him into certain positions, such as two of the supreme justices that oversee very high profile cases such as the one where Trump argued presidents should have immunity from crimes done during presidency.

Then you compound that with the actual literal fascist party that is the Republican party who only care about lining their pockets with money and being ok with corporations running things, and you get the shitshow that is the US today where citizens will actually support a fascist insurrectionist who clearly wants to align himself more with Russia and potentially even China, and says things such as “I will be a dictator for one day” and “the US should pull out of NATO”.

I fear for this country and genuinely am glad I don’t live in the mainland USA - and I wouldn’t be too opposed to having my state go back to being a British Territory if Trump gets elected again.

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Unfortunately the US has basically been running on the polite fiction that people who want to be leaders will be good leaders and behave like rational human beings.

So when someone who has no good intentions and is not rational got into power, we learned that a lot of things we thought of as laws were really just habits.

And as much as it sucks, it’s actually sensible that trump can run until he’s been proven guilty. Otherwise a wannabe dictator could just drown the opposition in frivolous lawsuits and bar them from running because of the suspicion of crime.

Don’t get me wrong, I think trump is guilty as sin and is a danger to our democracy. But, we need to be careful how we respond to this, or it could be worse when the next maniac gets into power and starts banning people from running because all of his opponents are suddenly under investigation for tax irregularities or littering.

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He was found guilty of insurrection in a state court. So that he can’t run for president. But then the federal supreme court decided that this particular provision of the constitution is not self executing. And the Congress must pass a law to find Trump ineligible to run. They didn’t comment on the insurrection part.

So Trump has been found guilty of insurrection and he can still run for president.

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We are too.

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Lmao of course Putin’s allies know trumps plans.

To be fair, you could stop a random person on the streets of America of either major political party and ask them if Trump wins will he give any money to Ukraine and you won’t get a single different answer.

You don’t exactly need an inside line to get this kind of hot tip.

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To be more clear, if Trump manages to capture the presidency, I fully expect him to withdraw the US from NATO.

And the US leaving NATO would be absolutely, categorically, inarguably, and apocalyptically stupid.

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It was his intention to do this last time.

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7 points

He never intended to lose (or to be removed after rejecting a loss), so there was no rush

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Can Trump alone withdrawal us from NATO?

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No, which is why it didn’t happen in his first term. Lots of people threw sand in the gears to slow that effort down.

It’s just that if he gets in again, he’s openly said he’s going to fire a shitload of people all over the government and replace them with Trump loyalists (regardless of whether or not it’s legal), so it will probably actually happen if he captures the presidency again.

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Relaxing people for family members and other loyalist is fair game in an autocracy.

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Nope, but he can fuck NATO over internally well enough.

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The money that runs this country wouldn’t stand for the level of disruption that’d cause to the ongoing grift to slow/stop. Same why we likely won’t ever crash out on the deficit, the rating downgrade scared them so bad the Republicans made a deal ASAP last time

What’s terrifying is if the money decides to go in and join in the ‘creative destruction’ via another Business Plot and co-opts authoritarianism

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I am not sure why people say that when Trump said, if they didn’t honor their commitments, we would leave.

Since the invasion, most countries have finally stepped up to pair their obligation. Funny how Trump was right.

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No he wasn’t. His comments are a self fulfilling prophecy. If an alliance that is strong because they are united under the US umbrella has the potential leader of said alliance state he no longer feels he needs to back his allies… they must.

But:

  • The 2% is a guideline not a rule
  • They got to pay… who? The defence industry… it’s not a membership fee.
  • many countries where already investing more
  • spending more on defense is not simple, procurement takes yeeeaaars… so countries that started ramp up projects years ago are now in the position to actually spend more.
  • The only time NATO needed to openly wage war was in defence of the US. So the commitment of the rest of NATO is fact, the US’s isn’t.
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So the commitment of the rest of NATO is fact, the US’s isn’t. Well, if that is the way you feel, then the United States should just leave NATO. If having the largest Army in the world and saving Europe in two wars isn’t proof of commitment, then we should just sit the next one out. It sounds like we are not wanted or needed.

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51 points

Yet another reason that odious orange toad should be denied a second term.

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44 points

That’s a great way to encourage Russian election interference in his favor

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This Trump, Orban, Putin triangle makes me think of the TV series The Handmaid’s Tale where the US slides into civil war and global isolation. Instead of the Sons Of Jacob you have Trump.

Seriously, if Trump is besties with Orban and he beats Biden to the Whitehouse the US is heading for very dark times.

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The entire World is in a dire position with climate change and all that. The USA turning inwards to settle it’s culture war will have global ramifications. It’s already happening

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