The president has been going after his presumptive 2024 opponent with a little more venom than usual

Joe Biden is taking it to Donald Trump.

The president’s campaign responded to Trump’s wild press conference in New York on Monday by slamming the former president as “weak and desperate — both as a man and a candidate for President.”

“He spent the weekend golfing, the morning comparing himself to Jesus, and the afternoon lying about having money he definitely doesn’t have,” the statement read, adding that “America deserves better than a feeble, confused, and tired Donald Trump.”

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It’s not both-sides to say that Genocide Joe sucks ass. Yes, Trump is worse. But Biden is still awful. I don’t say that in some effort to appease the right or sound somehow neutral, I say it because it’s true.

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Nah, you say it to sap unity and make people stay home from voting.

Your vibe is the same as the girls who say they bluntly “tell it as they see it” in their dating profile, but anyone with any relationship experience knows that means they’re completely willing to make things toxic as fuck because they’ll just vomit their selfish so called truth anywhere without caring about consequences or how it destroys, because it serves some sort of other motivation for them.

Using words to encourage people to embrace hopelessness and not vote is a propaganda technique to put Trump back in the Whitehouse, and him being there weakens the nation so immensely and catastrophically that it’s extremely attractive to cash and weapons poor enemies to plop someone in front of a cheap computer to spread propaganda to attempt to destroy a nation from within. People who can’t fight the US with military might will use words instead.

In short, your words are not neutral. You’re either what is called a useful idiot, an ordinary person who swallowed outside propaganda whole and does the work of other interests here, or you’re a knowing perpetrator.

I hope people here use whatever skills they picked up in English class however many years ago to think about not just the exact words of the poster I’m responding to, but why they posted this thing at this moment, their motivations beyond what they claim they are, and the effects of an appeal to truth on a reader and how that can influence perception even when the thing said isn’t actually necessarily true or contains such a small flake of some truth that it is effectively turns into a lie when put beside the bigger and more vast and complicated truths.

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People shouldn’t stay home on election day just because Biden is a terrible piece of shit. People should go at the very least to vote down ballot, if not to vote against Trump. Nor should people feel hopeless. There are so many avenues to pursue outside of simple electoral politics (again, do vote). But I’m not going to cave to this loyalty test bullshit. Also the money is good, praise Mother Russia.

In short, your words are not neutral.

Yes. That is literally what I said.

Look, I agree that “telling it like it is” can be a toxic trait (although as long as we’re discussing the subtext, it’s interesting that you used the example of “girls”. I’m sure you didn’t mean to, I’m not leveling accusations at you, we all do this to some degree or another, but that is definitely an appeal to misogyny. You could have compared me to Bill Maher, which frankly would have pissed me off a whole lot more). But the truth does matter, and appeals to nuance/arguing procedural or rhetorical points while ignoring the realities is also toxic. Children in Gaza are dying, and Biden has actively helped with that. Call it propaganda, call it whatever you want, but innocent people are dead, as a result of a genocidal campaign helped by Biden.

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Yeah! Everyone rally around genocide Joe! It’s not like he’s been paid more than any other US politician by pro Israel groups!

Helps you understand why he’s so enthusiastic about delivering the weapons though.

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Those stats go back 35 years. He’s maybe the only person that’s been in office that long, of course he’s going to accumulate the most.

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“no matter who wins, America loses”

That sounds like both-sides to me. Biden has done some objectively great things for Americans even with a senate fighting him for the first 2 years and a Congress for the last 2

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I can definitely point to more good things Biden has done in his term than Trump did in his. Plus there’s the mountain of Trump’s crimes to compare with the non-mountain of non-crimes on Biden’s side. Of course, I’m not a fan of Biden’s authoritarian tendencies, but again Trump is far worse in that area.

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Ah yes, someone who enables genocide by continuing existing funding practices is totally deserving of that specific nickname while the other guy who has repeatedly said he would literally do what Israel is doing and that Israel should ‘finish the job’ doesn’t get a pithy nickname.

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The cosplayers will always write “Genocide Joe” and will always fail to note that Donald is intentionally referencing the “Final Solution” from the Nazis.

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I don’t know what you’re on about… They’re obviously and completely unbiased, and anyone who says otherwise will also get a pithy nickname

/s for anyone who needed it

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Ah so you stoop to name calling to give your argument credence.

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