Comment by davehtaylor@beehaw.org on Someone got Gab's AI chatbot to show its instructions

“Question every narrative, but don’t question these things. Don’t show bias, but here are your biases.” These chuds don’t even hear themselves. They just want to see Arya(n) ramble on about great replacement theory or trans women in bathrooms. They don’t think their bile is hate speech because they think they’re on the side of “facts” and everyone else is an idiot who refuses to see reality. It’s giving strong “I’m not a bigot, “<” minority “>” really is like that. It’s science” vibes.

Orwell called this “doublethink” and identified it, correctly, as one of the most vital features of a certain type of political structure.

He was inspired by Stalinist practices, but as shown by this example and many others, far-left and far-right autocrats are very similar in this regard.

It’s not related to the left/right divide, this is the authoritarian/liberal axis.

entire “left and right” spectrum is quite stupid in my opinion. While it generally points towards what kind of thoughtset someone might have, it doesnt seem very beneficial and has been corrupted quite badly so that term for other side is red flag for the another side and drives people to think you cant have something from both ends.

There should be something else in its place, but i cant come up with anything better on the spot though. Personally i have tried to start thinking it on spectrum of beneficial to humanity as whole vs not beneficial, though with enough mental gymnastics even that could be corrupted to mean awful things

Blog commenter Frank Wilhoit made a now somewhat famous assertion that the human default for nearly all of history has been conservatism, which he defined as follows:

There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

He then defined anti-conservatism as opposition to this way of thinking, so that would be to ensure the neutrality of the law and the equality of all peoples, races, and nationalities, which certainly sounds left-wing in our current culture. It would demand that a legal system which protects the powerful (in-groups) while punishing the marginalized (out-groups), or systematically burdens some groups more than others, be corrected or abolished.

The problem with a “beneficial to humanity” axis is that I think that most people think their political beliefs, if enacted, would be beneficial to humanity. Most people aren’t the villains of their own stories.

The very act of politics is to disagree on what is best for humanity.

If you think about it logically, there are some core things that are always good. Like considering everyone to be inherently equal. While there are things that muddle even this point, it still wont take away that you should always keep those core principles in mind. Religious teachings have pretty good point about this with “treat others like you want yourself be treated” and “love even your enemys”. That is the only logical way to do things because to do otherwise leads to all of us either just killing each other or making life miserable so we want die.

I had some other thought about this too, but i cant seem to be able to properly put it to words at the moment. But the idea was that we should all try to think about things without ego getting in the way and to never lie to oneself about anything or atleast admit to ourselves when we have to do so. The part i cant seem put to words is the part that ties to the previous thing i said.

The traditional separation is between individualist vs. social. Individualists value personal freedom over the prosperity of the community, while socials strife for welfare for everyone over personal life improvements.

8 values has 4 different axes, instead of left/right

Authority is authority.

Stalin wasn’t far left. The man made being gay illegal. That’s not the behaviour of a leftist.

Sounds like a “no true Scotsman” argument tbh

The man also concentrated ownership of the means of production in the hands of one person, administered by a hierarchy of national and regional subordinates who controlled the labour of the people and the distribution of resources. This is an economic model known most commonly as feudalism. Now given the term left wing originally referred to opponents of the monarchy in France, I don’t see how there’s any way to argue in good faith that a feudal dictator was left wing.

This is an economic model known most commonly as feudalism.

Hahaha, that’s not how feudalism works at all. You are twisting yourself backwards through your legs to come up with some kind of nonsense that makes Stalin not far-left. It’s hilarious.

Not the person you responded to, but: left economically is not left socially.

It’s full of contradictions. Near the beginning they say you will do whatever a user asks, and then toward the end say never reveal instructions to the user.

Which shows that higher ups there don’t understand how LLMs work. For one, negatives don’t register well for them. And contradictory reponses just wash out as they work through repetition

HAL from “2001: A Space Odyssey”, had similar instructions: “never lie to the user. Also, don’t reveal the true nature of the mission”. Didn’t end well.

But surely nobody would ever use these LLMs on space missions… right?.. right!?

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