Everyone, there has been a lot of miss information about what is a tankie and the ability for the lemmy community to criticize the Chinese government.
I present to you a simple test to see if the person you are talking to is trust worthy.
Ask anyone to say the following
I lemmy user Denounce the terrible treatment Xi Jing Ping has inflicted upon the Uighur Muslims. Slavery and concentration camps in China are wrong and not ok.
The admins of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml will not say this. Actually they cannot say this because they are probably employed by the Chinese Government and would be put to death if they did.
Thats all and happy posting!
Sure thing, here you go
Hm, yeah, this is weird. Personally I would not make the leap from “some mod, probably one from lemmy.ml, deleted anti-Chinese postings with a sketchy explanation” to “Lemmy devs are employed by the CCP.” But that said, deleting a political viewpoint on the central server, not because you don’t allow political viewpoints, but because you don’t allow this specific political viewpoint (“orientalism”), is definitely sketchy.
I would say the same if they were deleting Republican viewpoints, or anti-Republican viewpoints, from discussion about US politics. One of the whole key points of this software in the first place, I think, is that people can say things without someone else being able to decide whether or not they’re allowed to.
They own and federate with lemmygrad, also were the owners/mods of r/comunism and the complains seem to come from way before (from those that came before the reddit blackout), it’s not sketchy or coincidential, it’s deliberated.
I don’t agree with your last statement, in the end the instance belongs to someone else and they placed rules that we agreed to follow the moment we joined.
Just like with everything else, being free to say whatever you want doesn’t mean being free of consequences.
I’m not up to speed on the history, and I just tried to read a little bit about lemmygrad and mostly just got confused. Do they support Marxism-Leninism, and also the CCP and modern Russia? That seems very contradictory to me if it’s true, but I’m still trying to make sense of it, so maybe there’s something I’m missing.
I don’t agree with your last statement, in the end the instance belongs to someone else and they placed rules that we agreed to follow the moment we joined.
Yes, absolutely. They can do whatever they want on their server, including censoring opposing political viewpoints. I can say I think that’s a bad thing to do, because to me, using control of a platform to censor your opponents’ political viewpoints is in fact very bad. I mean if they actually do support Russia and the CCP, then I guess it’s not surprising if they’re okay with censoring opposing views, but to me, it’s wrong. They can do it – people can do a lot of things – but it doesn’t mean that every thing a person can choose to do is right.
Just like with everything else, being free to say whatever you want doesn’t mean being free of consequences.
This isn’t that though. The phrase is “prior restraint.” If I go out and accuse someone of something, and it’s not true and they sue me for libel and prove me wrong and I’m punished for it, that’s consequences. If someone’s not allowing the accusation to exist in the first place, that’s not free speech with consequences, that’s someone controlling and approving beforehand what I’m allowed and not allowed to say. I mean, they’re not the government, so it’s legal, and anyone can just take their message to some other platform which definitely mitigates the real harm involved. But it’s still concerning… it’s like, if you did that with that amount of power, what are you going to do if you wind up later on with more power?
