lemm.ee

-7 points

5 months ago

About 10,000 people were arrested in the months of unrest in Hong Kong … three years later, about 7,200 were still in custody without charges yet being brought. (More statistics in the link)

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acabjones@lemmygrad.ml

8 points

5 months ago

That article is from July 2022

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-5 points

5 months ago

As everyone knows, it was impossible to tell in 2022 what had happened in the three years since 2019.

However, there is a good point to be made there. It’d be nice to get more up-to-date information about what was the disposition of all these cases, and see if these people are still in prison years after they were allegedly part of a protest.

Since China unlike the US upholds a commitment to the basic norms of transparency in a democratically operated prison system, there’s a web page where I can just look up who are all the people, where they’re being held, and what the disposition of their charges is, and see records from the trial, or even go and be there in person and watch, if I feel like it.

Oh wait

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https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland

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RedClouds@lemmygrad.ml

9 points

5 months ago

I’m sure your cherry-picked website can find all those people who were picked up by unmarked vehicles during the chaos of 2020.

Some transparency they have…

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-6 points

5 months ago

Yeah, and they let him go 90 minutes later instead of him being still in custody with still no trial after three years. And that was such a disturbing big deal that four years after that, the last time I brought it up and what a bad thing it was was was… yesterday. I saw another poster bring up the same incident earlier this week, too.

The US police does some fucked up stuff (and they accelerated it up to like 5% of a China level under Trump, including that exact thing you cited). Any level is bad; it’s like not the China doing something excuses the US doing it, nor vice versa. But saying the two are comparable in the level of injustice in their prison and court system (let alone that China is superior in that regard) is transparently absurd.

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ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml

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16 points

5 months ago

The US police does some fucked up stuff (and they accelerated it up to like 5% of a China level under Trump

my brother in christ, the US has the most people locked up out of any country currently, in history.

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-7 points

5 months ago

Yeah. And a lot of them get abused; it’s more or less legalized mild-to-moderate torture for most of the time you’re in. And if you don’t have a bunch of spare money in the bank, trying to defend yourself against even bogus charges drops you into a Kafkaesque nightmare where your defending attorney is overworked and jaded, and the cops, judges, and prosecutor are generally all on the same team which has effectively infinite resources. It’s the worst system of all the ostensible democracies, easily, by a clean country mile.

They just closed a women’s prison in California that was more or less a legalized rape-playground for the guards, that everyone had known about for quite a while, but no one could really raise up the inclination to do anything about. Because hey, what the fuck, they’re prisoners. So who cares.

So imagine what a bone-chilling nightmare the Chinese system must be, to manage to be worse than the US by quite a bit.

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