Lemmy.world has a little guide. I totally understand there being a learning curve, I’m IT so don’t have much trouble but I get that people are flocking from “just works” land and most people have zero idea how any tech works.
My problem isn’t people struggling to learn how this different system works, my problem is people who come HERE instead of one of the available more direct Reddit clones then refusing to learn how this system works, bitching that it isn’t Reddit, and start harping that the devs need to make it Reddit. If you just want New Reddit, that option is available. A couple, in fact. Lemmy got some buzz though and people want to be cool kids, instead of picking the more suitable option for them. Shit’s frustrating to me as a user, and I feel for the devs who have been working on this specific vision for this project then just wake up to 1,000 “MAKE IT REDDIT I WANT EVERYTHING ON ONE INSTANCE CAUSE I’M USED TO IT” posts.
Rant aside, I’m no Lemmy expert but if you have questions about how things work, I’ll do my best to help.
I’m brand new and I have spent ~~almost a week ~~ a few days trying to log on for a second time (first time worked great, always timed out after that). But I’m here now!
One thing that has been frustrating is that 90% of the time I’ve seen someone say that it’s confusing, people just say IT’S SO EASY, TRY LEARNING and then the learning materials describe the concept of the fediverse and Lemmy but not how to use it.
I still don’t really understand. I’ve used a hundred different forums and forum-adjacent type services, and Lemmy seems to be similar enough to Reddit, except that each server is it’s own reddit, but if anyone on the server is connected to another server, it’ll pull in communities followed by anyone on the server?
Again, I don’t really get it. I’m trying, but it’s a bit confusing. I get that it’s decentralized and all the servers are unique and it’s one login, but I don’t get how the communities fit together between servers, if they do at all. Would this mean that we can have duplicate communities on different servers?
That’s funny because one of the first things I read about Lemmy after learning of it was the “Don’t tell people it’s easy” article:
https://privacy.thenexus.today/kbin-lemmy-fediverse-learnings-from-mastodon/
Out of curiosity. What are the other Reddit clones you’re talking about? I moved here because this is the reddit-like system I found first.
Here is that post: https://lemmy.world/post/37906
For any Jerboa (or other app) users, @ruud is referring to the web-UI, not the independent app interface.
I’m brand new and I have spent almost a week trying to log on for a second time (first time worked great, always timed out after that). But I’m here now!
One thing that has been frustrating is that 90% of the time I’ve seen someone say that it’s confusing, people just say IT’S SO EASY, TRY LEARNING and then the learning materials describe the concept of the fediverse and Lemmy but not how to use it.
I still don’t really understand. I’ve used a hundred different forums and forum-adjacent type services, and Lemmy seems to be similar enough to Reddit, except that each server is it’s own reddit, but if anyone on the server is connected to another server, it’ll pull in communities followed by anyone on the server?
Again, I don’t really get it. I’m trying, but it’s a bit confusing. I get that it’s decentralized and all the servers are unique and it’s one login, but I don’t get how the communities fit together between servers, if they do at all. Would this mean that we can have duplicate communities on different servers?
I see alot of people using an email analogy that people don’t seem to follow, I saw another analogy so I’ll give it a go (and probably butcher it haha.)
You have the planet, right? “Lemmy” as a concept, the “Fediverse” is the planet. Then, you have countries. Large, all encompassing central entities, each with it’s own ruling government and systems. What you can get away with in Ireland, might not be legal in Turkey. Instances (or servers) like lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, etc are the “countries.” Each can have it’s own standards, practices, rules, etc. Then the communities are like cities in those countries, beholden to the larger entity but otherwise allowed to run themselves and do what they do.
For your last question, let’s look at those communities (cities, per our analogy.) Say I live in Franklin, Maine. Around town, if you’re talking about home you don’t say Franklin, Maine all the time do you? It’s just Franklin, because if you’re in Maine (or your home country if not US) it’s presumed you’re talking about the Franklin that you’re in (or the Franklin down the road if you live two cities over.)
There’s still a Franklin in Alabama, Idaho, Illinois, Michigan, and like 40 other states. ^(Thanks wiki :P) So if I wanted to talk about or visit one of THOSE Franklins, I would specify Franklin, Idaho, or Franklin, Illinois. That’s the “Fediverse.”
(Pretend for a minute we are in a community /c/puppies for this bit so it’s less confusing) This group, for us, is just /c/puppies because it’s our local /c/puppies, just as I from your perspective am just @CannaVet because we are both in our home “country” of lemmy.world (the instance/server.) If you look at one of the replies to the comment you replied to, you will see someone as @JakeBacon@lemm.ee. He is visiting our “country” of lemmy.world, from his home “country” of lemm.ee. Over in the “country” of lemm.ee, they may also have a community (city) of /c/puppies which is notated as such to HIM because it’s local to his home country just as ours is to us - but for us to visit would be “traveling” so we would visit /c/puppies@lemm.ee because we’re leaving home and visiting another country. For him to come here he has to come to /c/puppies@lemmy.world because HE would be the “traveler.”
Same with users, I’m just @CannaVet and you’re just @Swoggles because we’re “at home” on lemmy.world, but if we click around and are perusing a community on lemmy.ml we would show as @CannaVet@lemmy.world and @Swoggles@lemmy.world because we’re “traveling.” There may be a @Cannavet@lemmy.ml, but on lemmy.ml they would just be @CannaVet and I would be @CannaVet@lemmy.world, because I’m visiting their “country.” If they come here I’m @CannaVet and they’re @CannaVet@lemmy.ml.
We’re different users, with different accounts, on different servers, completely unrelated. Communities work the same way - I may run /c/stuff@lemmy.world however I want, but somebody might be running /c/stuff@lemmy.ml completely differently with completely different rules and content entirely over on that instance.
As for exploring different instances, you can go most anywhere you want (mostly, my understanding is instances can block other instances from access, but I’m not super in the know about that.) Using the “all” button in search and browsing will open you up to other instance’s content vs the “local” button that keeps you in your “home country.”
I don’t understand entirely how to link out to other instances, but if you click a link and end up logged out on a different server, you can manually visit by adding the community to the end of your URL like so-
lemmy.world/c/technology@lemmy.ml
This will keep you on lemmy.world and ensure you’re “just visiting” where you’re trying to go. Once everyone has a better grasp this shouldn’t be a problem but I’ve run into this issue a few times.
Cliffs Notes-
Instances (lemmy.ml, lemmy.ml, lemm.ee, etc) are top level “countries” and run things as they see fit
Communities (/c/puppies, /c/lemmy.world, etc) are “cities” bound by instance administration and can exist on multiple instances completely independently of eachother, like how London, England exists independently of London, France.
If you run into trouble visiting communities on other instances, manually navigate with lemmy.world/c/commname@instance.url (or lemmy.ml/c/commname.url if you’re registered on lemmy.ml, etc etc.)
Sorry for the wall, hope it’s at all helpful lol.
Extremely helpful, thank you.
So if I’m understanding correctly, each lemmy instance is effectively it’s own forum/reddit, and being part of a lemmy instance gives us a passport to visit and interact with other lemmy instances, yeah?
And after us as individuals are more established and connected, we’ll naturally start to join and “import” communities within our home insurance and other Lemmy instances.
So, one final question, won’t this model lead to like, heavy fragmentation of communities? There’s pros and cons to that, but if I’m a fan of d&d, there will be a d&d community on many lemmy instances, and each of those would only be connected by visiting lemmy users that join multiple instances of the d&d community on different lemmy instances, right?
