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5 months ago

Or just whine and throw your vote away.

What is hard to understand about this?

The way to get the most votes is a younger progressive candidate.

How is saying the party should get as much votes as possible “whining”?

Is it because a younger progressive candidate isn’t who you want?

Tough shit

40% of the electorate is gen Z or Millenials.

And the majority of over 45 wants trump

You’re arguing against doing what the bulk of the Dem party wants, but some how I’m the one whining for wanting better than a coin flip chance to deal with trump anymore?

What the fuck is the logic you’re using for this shit?

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5 months ago

No it’s because voting for a progressive third party candidate in the general election for federal office

doesn’t work
benefits republicans
is the prevailing wisdom of people like you

It’s mastubatory whining. You get to claim that anyone who cares about actual outcomes is somehow less pure than you while you are absolved of any of the responsibilities of your vote. You wanna pretend voting third party for president helps? Bully for you. It fucking doesn’t help progressives, it helped Trump get elected and it will do it again.

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5 months ago

You get to claim that anyone who cares about actual outcomes is somehow less pure than you

That’s not the discussion.

The discussion is a younger more progressive candidate is what the base wants, so why aren’t we giving it to them?

40% of this electorate is either Gen Z or Millenial.

And over 45 years old is going to trump.

So why isn’t the DNC going after all those voters so that we can beat Trump?

Stop thinking about if you’re right and how people under 40 are “whining” and start thinking about the best way to beat Trump:

Running a popular candidate. Whether that means Biden starts listening to his voters and becomes more popular, or running someone less than 20 years over retirement age.

I just don’t understand the logic of:

This demographic wants progress, but fuck em we control the party so they have to vote for us. It would be crazy for us to give them what they want and guarantee victory. So we’ll call them babies and blame them when our unpopular candidates loses.

If moderates are the “adults in the room” why are they the ones who won’t entertain the idea of voting for something a little different they want if it guarantees victory?

Why not just do that?

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5 months ago

You seem to be getting down voted a lot for this comment, but I absolutely agree. The long term solution is to fix the DNC by replacing the corporate schills with progressives. In a city in NH in 2016 we were able to completely replace the local Democratic party with our people. It’s not even that hard, like 50 people vote in those elections.

Everyone should find out who runs their local and state Dems, and start working to replace them if they are garbage. Once the local and state chapters are taken over it won’t be hard to take the DNC

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5 months ago

Except the party wants as little turnout as possible in the general

It’s why they started saying Biden was the winner a good 5 months before the convention and only a handful.of.primaties had happened.

Its why the stole NH’ delegates for voting progressive.

If people could show up and say who they want for president, then theyd vote down ballot tok.

The Dem party isn’t for us, it’s to take advantage of us

But it wasn’t always, and doesn’t have to keep being that way.

But I’m barely old enough to remember when it wasn’t

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Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee

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5 months ago

They certainly only want people who are going to vote for them to turn up.

I’m not sure what you mean by stole NH delegates.

I wish more people would vote down ballot. Rs almost always vote top to bottom of the ticket, Ds tend to only vote for names they’ve heard of. That’s why Republicans have taken control of so much local government. Democrats need to win the presidential race by a huge margin for enough of it to trickle down to local stuff.

Yes, the current DNC is there to work for the rich, just like the RNC. If we took over the party though, we could make it do whatever we wanted.

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5 months ago

I’m not sure what you mean by stole NH delegates.

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When the party took away NHs say in the Dem primary for something only their Republican state government can control.

I mean. Technically NH Dems could violated state law to keep the DNC happy like they asked, are you saying that’s what they should have done?

Because the most common sense explanation is they were made NH kept rejecting moderates like Clinton and Biden.

If we took over the party though, we could make it do whatever we wanted.

Which is what I’m saying to do, and if you haven’t noticed, the more we vote “blue no matter who” the more conservative candidates we get.

Because the DNC thinks anything left of republicans have to vote for them. From that misguided assumption. The party keeps moving right

It’s not working, it’s never worked, and to keep trying it would be fucking insanity.

Yet here we are.

If we are really willing to sacrifice anything to stop trump, why won’t Joe Biden and the DNC sacrifice anything they want?

Why do millions and millions of voters have to vote for someone they don’t want? Why can’t we run someone that agrees with the party platform and will work towards?

The party isn’t the important part, voters are. No matter how much either party tells you differently.

A general election is still about votes

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Leviathan@lemmy.world

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5 months ago

it doesn’t need raised

Wow, I hate this fucking grammatical diarrhea.

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