LIVE UPDATES: TRUMP GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS IN HUSH-MONEY CASE(www.nytimes.com)

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edit: I have changed my title to match the new NYTimes headline. Sorry about the all caps, I guess they are really excited about this lol

Also shoutout to @SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone who shared a gift article link in the comments. I hope you don’t mind but I kinda stole it and updated the post

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disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world

15 points

2 months ago

That’s completely incorrect.

Trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records. These were the charges in the NY “hush money” trial only.

Here’s a handy tracker for the other cases from the Associated Press.

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PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk

29 points

2 months ago

falsifying business records

To influence the outcome of the 2016 election.

He didn’t decisively win, it’s not inaccurate to deduce from this conviction that the 2016 election was stolen

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disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world

-4 points

2 months ago

It’s true that the contents of this trial can be used for the arguments of the prosecution in the Federal and Georgia election trials, but he was not convicted of any crime other than falsifying business records.

Trump was convicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records, a class E felony that is punishable by a fine, probation or up to four years in prison per count.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-prison-hush-money-trial-verdict-rcna153963

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PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk

8 points

2 months ago

according to The Guardian, for it to be considered a felony charge they had to prove that Trump did it with the intent to commit another crime; The other crime being a New York state law that says it is illegal for “any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means”

So the election interference charge form part of the existing charges without being separate charges in and of themselves

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A Phlaming Phoenix@lemm.ee

4 points

2 months ago

The main argument from prosecution to this end was that the encounter happened in 2006 (ish, I might be off) but the hush money wasn’t an issue until the election campaign. Therefore, they argued, it was paid (and covered up with false business records) to influence the election.

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gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com

6 points

2 months ago

but he was not convicted of any crime other than falsifying business records.

Cool, but irrelevant as nobody was talking about what laws were technically broken, they were pointing out what being guilty of that means in reality

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EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world

4 points

2 months ago

The felony upcharge requires he falsify in furtherance of another crime, which was argued to be hiding campaign contributions.

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disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world

0 points

2 months ago

Yes. He used campaign funds to pay Cohen for his role as a personal attorney, but the payments were actually reimbursement for Cohen’s initially laid out hush money to Daniels.

All I said was he wasn’t charged with it. It’s absolutely going to be used to address his character in the other cases, but they may not get heard until after November at this rate.

The Federal election is postponed until SCOTUS rules on immunity. The Georgia election is postponed until the state Senate investigates Fani Willis, and the documents case is postponed indefinitely.

I’m surprised so many people think that this proves he’s guilty for all of the cases. We all knew he was before this trial even started. This legally only proves he’s guilty of fraud until he begins another trial.

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