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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that’s the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

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Why /s? Road trips are a thing, and you’d be hard pressed to find a combo restaurant/charging station that’s along your path.

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restaurant/charging station combo

The people providing the charging infrastructure here haven’t figured out this important point yet. Gas stations are a terrible place to put chargers, no one wants to stop at a gas station for fifteen minutes to an hour at a time. Charging stations need to be in places people will be stopping anyway, or at the very least places that provide something to do while waiting. Restaurants, shopping centres, tourist traps, whatever.

Here it’s exacerbated by the fact that the fastest chargers we have only deliver about 60kW. Not even close to the 200+ some EVs need to get the fast charging times they advertise. But that 60kW would be perfectly fine if I could spend the time in a restaurant instead of standing around at a gas bar in the middle of nowhere.

Hell, even cheap (or free) “level 2” chargers outside restaurants and shopping malls would be a huge help.

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I live in Denmark, here the chargers are placed where people park anyway. Grocery stores, parking lots, rest stops…

It’s getting so easy to find a fast charger/resto combo, that we don’t even plan it from home.

I’ve seen few 200+ watts chargers without looking for them, but the car is ready faster than I am anyway.

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As it should be, and I agree that those crazy fast 200+ kW chargers are rarely necessary.

It’s kind of a weird reaction to consumer hesitation and people complaining that they don’t want to wait for charge times as compared to the time it takes to fill a tank. Making charging as fast as possible to address the complaint (while still being one or two orders of magnitude slower at best), because that’s easier than getting people to change their driving habits, or making them realise that they’re always going to start the day with a full charge at home.

Even if all you have is relatively paltry north american 110V at home you need to drive way more than average per day for that not to keep up.

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11 points

Road trips are a tiny fraction of all vehicle use, it’s fine to relegate them to specialty vehicles.

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Quick Google says a great majority of Americans take road trips. Even though it’s a tiny fraction of their driving, it’s still a deciding factor for many when choosing a car. Not all people have the luxury of affording a second car just for road trips.

Public transportation would be good, but there’s less flexibility to it. For example, just yesterday, on a return from a roadtrip, I got stomach sick and had to request frequent stops. That wouldn’t fly on a train.

I’d love it if we had affordable and flexible public transport for getting all across the country, though.

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I take road trips in my EV. It’s fine. You get to pee and walk the dog. The extra time isn’t much and it’s actually way more relaxing

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Unless you’re taking road trips literally every other week you could just rent a gas vehicle when it’s time for a road trip. Rather than make the decision of the car you’re going to drive every single day based on something you only do maybe once a year.

It’s why I don’t own a pickup truck, I actually do haul cars, help people move and all that shit that people say is why they need a pickup truck but I just go to fucking U-Haul and rent either the Sprinter van or the pickup truck for 30 bucks plus mileage when I need one. And I do actually keep track of my financial records with a double Ledger Finance app I just went and looked and I’m still nowhere near the cost of a used pickup truck from all of that renting

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Take road trips how often? Once a year? Maybe twice?

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I’m so glad here in Germany they do that more often now. We have a quite a few large charging parks next to restaurants and bakeries. I just made a 9 hour trip to Denmark and it was a pretty nice experience overall. Only downside is you have to plan ahead if you want this convenience because the majority is still spots with 1-2 occupied chargers at some ugly, smelly Autobahn rest area.

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