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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that’s the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

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We’ll just do what trains do.

Replace the battery with a massive diesel generator. Run that to get power to the electric motors.

Best of both worlds!

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Some trains. In most of Europe, trains are electric and get their power from overhead lines (same for trams and even some buses).

On the other hand, many large ships are diesel-electric. And those gigantic mining haulers as well.

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some buses

Trolleybus: when you need a cheap moustache ride.

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There are some much nicer more modern ones for those not into the post-Soviet-Republic esthetic. The super-long articulated trolley buses are fun.

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I think this should be the future

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I think there was a Renault that worked like this. I think the main issue is that you need a decently sized battery that can supply enough power or else the ICE needs to start every time you hit the gas pedal like was the case with the older Prius models and then you might as well connect it to the wheels and you can have a smaller electric motor.

But batteries keep improving and you can pull more power per kWh now. Maybe with solid state batteries this power train could become the more affordable option.

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2 points

The way of Toyota hybrids! Though those can power wheels somewhat-directly too.

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2 points

And almost fully do at highway speeds with how everything is geared

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Best of both worlds!

This is a joke, right? Efficiency is atrocious.

Hybrid cars were a topic in germany a few years ago. Laws provided funding for them too (grouped as EVs), despite their huge weight and low efficiency. I think it was solved since then?

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The “Best of both worlds!” was the part that should have told you that it was a joke. That and the fact that the statement is purposely ridiculous.

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A hybrid car is a very different beast than a diesel-electric train.

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Electric vehicles a bad product for 95% of people right now. When is America just going to invest in public transportation.

Pouring billions of dollars widening highway widening projects and giving automotive companies a tax break to charge a premium on electric cars has always been idiotic.

Edit: I was never criticizing electric car owners nor do I care if it works for the specific use case of a small group of individuals. I’m glad some people are adopting a new technology for the sake of helping the environment(I don’t care about individuals doing it for clout).

Most people can’t even reasonably afford new cars and have an outlet to park next to at the end of the day so you’re doing good so long as you plan to keep the car for at least 20,000 miles give or take to offset the carbon emissions of manufacturing the battery. Food and shelter is just more important.

Hybrids are a good stop gap until they dramatically improve battery technology and standardize parts. Plus there are plenty of used hybrids around and are just getting cheaper as more get released onto the market. Hybrids often get released at lower prices due to the cost of manufacturing battery packs.

The ability to reliably get to work and the super market shouldn’t be restricted to the ones able to afford and maintain transportation but a basic right of all citizens.

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What do you mean by bad for 95% of people? 95% of people drive less than 60 miles in a day. Which is something that can easily be recovered overnight with a standard 15 amp outlet not even a special dedicated charger they would have been fine with early electric vehicles much less what we have today

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Pretty sure they’re the type to think that if you live within a mile of someone else, any car is bad and every non-walking movement you make should be with public transit. Basically the fuckcars type.

(For the record, I get the frustration on the reliance of cars in everyday life. But the last mile problem is real and getting a practical transit option outside of moderately-sized cities is pretty much impossible)

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It pretty much boils down to living in a small town where there are no chargers and if you’re renting especially there is typically no place to plug in. Also issues with not being able to make road trips that don’t have chargers along the way, reduced range in cold weather, and if you need to tow it’s pretty pointless in an EV.

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7 points

I agree public transport is the better option, but electric cars are a good option for the vast majority of people as long as we’re going to need cars.

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I agree but if you can’t park near an outlet and you have no charging stations in your town it’s pretty impractical to own one. Everywhere I’ve lived so far that’s the case for a lot of individuals. There’s also issues with long trips, reduced range in cold weather, and towing being pretty much pointless in an EV.

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6 points

Wy cant we have both public transport and electric cars?

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I never said we couldn’t but it’s pretty impractical if it’s hard to find a charger. A lot of people don’t live in houses and at least where I live there is one EV charger in my town. That’s one charger not a station, and the town community center shut it down because upkeep was too expensive.

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4 points

Your Lemmy instance is running under Estonian domain and yet you still imagine the world as just USA

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I mean I live in America, my perspective will be American. I’d argue Americans are typically really into cars and the freedom of the open road. I mean we pretty much made electric cars popular so I don’t get your point.

I don’t know the state of Estonia but I do pay attention to the rest of the world. Most European countries that embrace and properly build out public transportation have happier citizens, livelier public spaces, and healthier business overall.

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Do you really believe that 95% of people live in the USA? Guess what, you’re wrong. And for 95% of population electric cars are amazing.

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We can be civil, no need to be combative for no reason. If you like electric cars that’s fine, I like electric cars too but we don’t all live in California.

Most people live in apartments here and the only charger available was closed down because maintenance and upkeep was too much for the community center that installed it.

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