Comment by Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee on things you can only do with boys

Seeing someone naked as an adult isn’t the same thing as seeing them naked as a minor.

You do see that, right?

Dude, this has been a traditional way for parents to embarrass their adult children in front of their partner for decades. My wife has seen my naked baby pictures without my parents even showing them to her. And I’ve seen hers. What’s the big deal? It’s not like either of us found them sexy.

Chopping part of your child’s dick off has also been traditional for decades, that’s a very poor justification for that behaviour.

Are you really comparing showing your child’s long-term partner their naked baby pictures with circumcision?

My point is “we’ve always done it like that” isn’t really a justification.

They are challenging the logic, is this really a confusing idea to you?

it’s still weird (source, i have parents), at least ask your daughter for consent first.

I’d consider it to be a breach of my privacy otherwise.

They’re baby pictures. We’re not talking about something erotic here. Naked babies are not some sort of scandalous thing. In most cultures, they’re normal.

i didn’t take them and i didn’t consent to them existing either. Neither did i consent to them being shown to anybody.

Naked humans are also normal, yet we still wear clothes. babies included, weirdly enough.

At what point does “naked baby photos” turn to “naked children photos” is my question.

how about this. You can have your naked baby photos, you just also have to be in the photo and naked as well.

i didn’t take them and i didn’t consent to them existing either. Neither did i consent to them being shown to anybody.

Based on that reasoning, I should not show anyone any photo of my child until they were old enough to consent to them being taken.

You can have your naked baby photos, you just also have to be in the photo and naked as well.

I’m not embarrassed by my body and if that’s what her partner really wants to see, I don’t care.

Based on that reasoning, I should not show anyone any photo of my child until they were old enough to consent to them being taken.

This is actually solid advice, especially as far as social media is concerned.

Based on that reasoning, I should not show anyone any photo of my child until they were old enough to consent to them being taken.

based on that reasoning i shouldnt expose my child to the visual perception of other people who exist outside in the chance that one of them non consensually perceives my child.

You wouldn’t expose your child naked in public, why would you expose them naked on picture?

I’m not embarrassed by my body and if that’s what her partner really wants to see, I don’t care.

that’s great, the implication there is that you’re still showing it to other people, and if we’re talking family and friends, i don’t know many people that would want that.

Taking photos of naked children isn’t, and shouldn’t, be normal in any culture I’m familiar with, and you definitely shouldn’t be showing them to anyone.

Well you should get familiar with Finnish culture and then start berating the Finnish guy who chimed in and said it was totally normal.

You know what an immoral, shithole country Finland is though.

The Finns regularly take naked photos of their children? Sure buddy.

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT CONSENT IS

YOU LEARN IT AT SCHOOL, ITS VERY IMPORTANT

you really need to chill out

People or the significant other of my child?

Tbf child marriage is also traditional, Muhammed had a 9yo bride (it’s “ok,” he didn’t have sex with her until she was 11.)

Defending things based solely on tradition can get pretty weird sometimes.

That’s a tradition that ended a long time ago. I’m talking about traditions that are ongoing. Also traditions that, despite someone else’s claim, probably don’t cause any psychological harm, at least most of the time.

I think you may be surprised and hopefully disturbed by this UNICEF article.

Despite a steady decline in this harmful practice over the past decade, child marriage remains widespread, with approximately one in five girls married in childhood across the globe. Today, multiple crises – including conflict, climate shocks and the ongoing fallout from COVID-19 – are threatening to reverse progress towards eliminating this human rights violation. The United Nations Sustainable Development Goals call for global action to end child marriage by 2030.

So no, it was not “a long time ago.” It’s “hopefully by 2030.”

Also traditions that, despite someone else’s claim, probably don’t cause any psychological harm, at least most of the time.

Oh, so as long as you don’t believe the person and can therefore invalidate their feelings without guilt, and it only psychologically hurts “some” people who you I suppose arbitrarily believe over the ones you don’t, it’s fine?

Not sure I can agree with you on this one.

Believe what person? Hurts some people?

I have asked for evidence that it hurts anyone and have not received it.

Also traditions that, despite someone else’s claim, probably don’t cause any psychological harm, at least most of the time.

Actually you asked for nothing, you made a whole lot of assumptions instead. And

evidence that it hurts anyone

Here again you invalidate the feelings of those telling you with their own words that they don’t like it. The evidence they don’t like it is them telling you they don’t like it, you don’t need a scientific paper to corroborate that some people find it objectionable, you just dismiss them because you want to partake in the behavior they find objectionable.

You do understand that to cultures where this isnt the norm, it sounds ridiculous to show naked pictures of your child when they were an infant to, well anyone?

It being a tradition has no bearing on it being awful or not. Circumcision is a tradition.

I’m sure you can find a more modern way to embarrass your child without resorting to CP?

Which cultures? And why do they get to decide what is right and what is wrong?

Also, naked photos of children are not child porn. Do you think they come out of the womb with clothes on?

I had to clean shit out of my daughter’s vagina regularly when I changed her diapers. Was that, similarly, sexual assault?

I personally have no use for pictures of baby genitals, but you really do huh? It even makes you upset we want to take away your baby genital pictures huh?

Is this some perverse form of individualism?

Edit: if you took a picture of you cleaning your daughters vagina out, and showed someone, yes that would be child porn and child abuse.

Again- they don’t come out of the womb with clothes on. Are parents not supposed to take a picture of their newly-born child or should they put a fig leaf on them?

I’ve asked several times- if this is child pornography, find me an example of someone getting in legal trouble for having a naked photo of their own baby on their phone. One person.

Were you even in the room with your newborns? Both of mine were moved to a table, cleaned up, and swaddled. I would have had to literally interrupt them to take a genital picture of them.

But I guess where you live, they pause first and ask if you want a full naked body shot? Cool tradition, I know you love those.

I’m sure noone has been in trouble for ONLY having their naked child’s pictures on their phone, but I’m sure those pictures have ended up in CP collections. I’m sure you have perfect opsec though so its fine.

Legality as side, since its not the law preventing me from abusing children anyways, I’m arguing that its morally wrong. Plenty of immoral actions are legal from my perspective.

Why does your perspective need baby genitals to be featured again?

Today I learned flying squid is okay with this kind of thing and that’s fucked up

It’s a violation of privacy & consent

How do you get a baby’s consent exactly?

You can’t, that’s why you don’t take photos of them naked.

My goodness are you obsessed with things I said hours or days ago.

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