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Teens have been making fake porn for ever. Photoshop someones head on another body. Cut a classmates photo and tape to a magazine centre fold. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment. This is just another tool.

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Let’s change it to grenades.

People have been killing each other forever. Stabbing someone’s chest. Smashing their head in with a rock. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that there should not be consequences for murder. Explosives are just another tool.

At some point this AI-evangelist “it’s just a tool” argument stops holding water. We can’t just enable all people to do things 1) rapidly and 2) at scale without any consideration for how they will use it. Teenagers doing lewd things with images in the 90’s or 80’s or whatever period you want to harken back to also didn’t have the ability to rapidly disseminate this information to, quite literally, the entire world in a matter of seconds.

Why bother with DUI laws if we’re going to go down that road? Why restrict usage of anything with a legitimate purpose?

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This right here.

I’m so fucking sick of the “it’s just a tool” or “sO YoU wANna BAn EvErYthiNG?!” bullshit. It’s all bad faith garbage that people hide behind because they want the results of these “tools.” They want the AI porn fakes of teenagers and celebrities (because they’re pathetic creeps and incels with no concept of dignity or consent). They want to be able to rip off actual artists so they can pretend like they’ve done something “creative” so they can get social media clout. They’re completely unserious people who can’t be reasoned with. They need to be shunned and shamed.

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That’s a lack of vision.

I want… people to put on a VR set, and fuck off to their fantasy world instead of messing up IRL. I want creepy incels, rapists, and similar, to have a means to act out their creepiness without impacting real people’s lives. Even more, I want them to prefer their virtual fantasies, because they can control them with a push of a button, instead of brainwashing, gaslighting, grooming, drugging, and finding other ways to control real people.

The faster that AI+VR gets more realistic and easier to use, the better for everyone.

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Imaginary grenades.

Check out the gaming industry, where a kid from the other side of the world can tell you how they will “kill your mom, r*pe your sister, and make you watch” (sic), just before killing and teabagging your corpse in-game. At some point the “it’s just a game” also stops holding water… and yet somehow most people are capable of differentiating the “tool” from the piece of shit using it.

Regarding DUI laws, they’re also wrong, focusing on the effect instead of on the cause. AI is not the cause for generating deep fakes, just like DUI is not the cause for getting drunk, and games are not the cause for being a piece of shit.

Ain’t it interesting how coming up with a consistent framework, makes it applicable to different areas of life?

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Imaginary grenades.

Having porn made of you is imaginary?

At some point the “it’s just a game” also stops holding water…

The video game doesn’t produce anything.

AI is not the cause for generating deep fakes,

DUIs can be reduced with public transportation. What do you propose reduces… porn fakes?

Ain’t it interesting how coming up with a consistent framework, makes it applicable to different areas of life?

Fucking lol.

My problem with machine learning porn is that it’s artless generic template spam clogging up my feed of shit I actually want to see. But you know, to each their own.

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I mean, there’s people that think you should be able to own grenades, too. This is actually a bigger philosophical question that deserves a rigorous answer that I rarely see attempted.

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A far more effective tool

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or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment.

This is my thought on it. Deliberately exposing the “model” to such a thing is fucked up. It’s sexual harassment, even if the level of realism is “text only”. But, people should be allowed to make and consume whatever kind of non-real porn they want in private.

I should note this is not what the law says in many nations, including my own.

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