Comment by jvw@lemmy.blahaj.zone on That's a bold strategy...

So they fired him without even giving him a warning? Sounds kinda excessive if you ask me. Like, sure, stuff like that doesn’t belong in the company chat app but losing your job over it seems a bit harsh.

Maybe it wasn’t the first time or maybe they were transferred to a position that was “invisible” to OP, you never know.

Well, that’s why I asked for clarification, didn’t I.

Bigots have no place in society. Its important to show this so they are finally ashamed of their opinion again.

Right, so you show them who’s the bigger person by being just as intolerant to them as they were to you…

Yes, you do. It’s called the paradox of intolerance.

Actually, you are misunderstanding the paradox of tolerance. And I would say it is one of the most frequently misquoted philosophy on discussion forums such as lemmy or reddit.

Popper asserted many times that the intolerable intolerance is violence. “Fists and pistols” as he calls it.

By intolerating at a stage by calling the other as intolerable when we’re still quite far from violence such as this case of HR management, you are proposing for an unjust society–is what Popper would say.

I’ll admit I have not read Popper. But just because he coined the term doesn’t mean his conception of it is the only acceptable one. Others have taken the basic idea and taken it in different directions.

Personally, I subscribe to the belief of the shitty crustpunk bartender.

Specifically, if someone is intolerant of others in a way that rejects who they are (as opposed to rejecting something that they believe—so gender and sexuality are on one side of that line, while religion and political ideology are on the other), especially if they do so in a way that creates the feeling of an unsafe environment, we should feel perfectly fine excluding them from that space.

I am aware of that paradox but I think it’s misguided, because it’s essentially just an excuse for neverending violence and revolution. Anytime you punish someone for not adhering to some sort of group standards, you aren’t likely change their minds about those standards being a moral good. Some might relent and begrudgingly go along with them, but others will not, and in time they’ll accumulate. At some point, there will be enough of them to overthrow the status quo, and then your intolerance will be replaced with theirs. So the result is that you live in an eternal state of intolerance, all in the name of tolerance. It’s a sucker’s game, and only fools are dumb enough to go along with it.

If you cannot defend your standards using reason, they are immoral, and they’ll eventually be overthrown and abolished, as they should.

If you cannot defend your standards using reason

You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.

If someone is being intolerant out of ignorance, by all means we should try to politely educate them and help them be better. But there are a lot of bigots out there who will be racist, sexist, or transphobic despite your best efforts.

Nobody else should have to put up with an uncomfortable work environment, social club, or anything else, because we have to make accommodations to be tolerant of bigots.

And nobody said anything about violence. It’s entirely about excluding people from spaces with others who do not want to have to be exposed to that intolerance.

Nah man there are certain things you don’t fuck with. For all we know they did give him a talking to and his response to that is what got him fired.

I’m afraid without any further explanation from the OP we really don’t know that.

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