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Have you never heard “an armed society is a polite one?” Do you think when they send security to any event, the goal is to violently use it? Or do you think that maybe the goal of showing force is to, sometimes, dissuade violence?

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Have you never heard "an armed society is a polite one

American society is armed. Those that are most heavily armed don’t seem very polite, but a lot of people get shot.

Do you think when they send security to any event, the goal is to violently use it?

You don’t send security to an event without the intent of using it if needed. When people take a security job they expect they will be using force at some point.

I challenge you to find me someone who works security that doesn’t expect to ever use force. The difference is someone who works security is 1) trained, and 2) in situations where they are there as a precaution, not as an expectation. When there is an expectation of violence the police are involved.

Speaking of, if Rittenhouse is concerned about “protecting property” why doesn’t he work for the police? I thought vigilantism was illegal.

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Those that are most heavily armed don’t seem very polite, but a lot of people get shot.

Remember, we’re talking about intent here. Whether you believe it’s true has zero bearing, it’s whether he may.

You don’t send security to an event without the intent of using it if needed.

Well, sure. But that’s like when I put on my seatbelt when I get in the car: I’m not planning to crash into someone just taking the necessary precautions. I know it will be necessary as time approaches infinity, but this is a far cry from saying I intend to get into an accident because I put my seatbelt on, which is effectively what we’re talking about.

If your argument is that he’s guilty because he knew he might have to use a gun to protect himself, rather than going with the intent of actually shooting someone, then I disagree that this even remotely makes him guilty of a crime, as this would mean I’m guilty of intending to cause an accident because I put my seatbelt.

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Remember, we’re talking about intent here. Whether you believe it’s true has zero bearing, it’s whether he may.

People believe vaccines cause Autism. When they don’t vaccinate their children I’m going to blame them for the death regardless of whatever stupid belief led them to think their children were invincible. They are still at fault despite the stupid crap they believe.

that’s like when I put on my seatbelt when I get in the car: I’m not planning to crash into someone just taking the necessary precautions

Oh, does Rittenhouse bring his gun like that every time he leaves the house? Or is this more like adding more safety features to your vehicle (air bags, better bumpers, roll cage etc) before going somewhere you knew beforehand people were driving on the wrong side of the road, and the only reason you’re going there is to enforce traffic laws?

Rittenhouse is not a cop. He went there to be a vigilante. If he didn’t want to use the gun then he’s a fucking idiot, and being ignorant is no defence.

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Have you never heard “an armed society is a polite one?

Case in point:

https://lawandcrime.com/crime/i-will-personally-pluck-out-her-eyes-man-who-threatened-to-light-kamala-harris-on-fire-is-baffled-feds-were-at-his-door-over-a-comment-complaint-alleges/

A Winchester, Virginia, man who vowed to light Vice President Kamala Harris on fire and “personally pluck out her eyes” reacted with surprise when investigators showed up at his door “over a comment,” a federal complaint alleges.

Investigators said that Carillo in one post said Harris doesn’t “have a snowballs chance in hell which is exactly where you’re going and soon,” adding “I will cut your eyes out of your F—ING head” and “will make sure you suffer a slow agonizing death[.]” ** In another post, he allegedly said he would “personally” set Harris on fire “if no one else does[.]” In a third post, Carillo allegedly said Harris is “going to regret ever trying to become president because if that ever happened I will personally pluck out her eyes with a pair of pliers but first I will shoot and kill everyone that gets in my way that is a f** promise.”**

Carillo allegedly said he owned a pistol and an AR-15 and made remarks of surprise about the reason for the law enforcement visit.

This armed man was so polite he was confused about why agents would show up at his door over a simple “comment”

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Again, whether it’s true makes no difference because we’re discussing intent to go shoot someone, so if he believes it to be true (or any of the others I listed) then your claim that it is a fact he intended to shoot someone is really just a supposition.

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your claim that it is a fact he intended to shoot someone is really just a supposition.

So your defense is he’s too stupid and ignorant and shouldn’t have been allowed around a gun in the first place?

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