What defederating would mean:
- We won’t see beehaw.org posts/comments on other instances.
Pros:
- There is less confusion, you can’t respond to a beehaw.org user, thinking they will be able to see your response when in reality they cannot.
Cons:
- We won’t be able to see any beehaw.org comments/posts on other instances, so we will miss out on some comment threads and posts. It could be good to be able to see them and interact with the other users there even though beehaw.org users won’t see any of our content.
Summary
Overall, I think it is better not to defederate, but simply unsubscribe from all of their communities (and as we no longer get posts from their instance, with time these will cease to appear on our ‘front page’).
beehaw.org users already can’t see our posts/comments anywhere so it’s not like defederating would change their experience in any way, so it wouldn’t really be retaliation and would just limit the content available to lemmy.world users.
What do you think?
I still don’t understand the decision beehaw made
I’ve seen people make analogies between Lemmy instances and email servers, but I don’t think it’s a great comparison. I think a better one would be ports on a trade route in the old sailing ship days. People are from different port cities, but they get on a ship and go to other ports and trade/interact with the people there.
So with that analogy, the port city of Beehaw is one with more restrictive laws about behavior: if you aren’t generally respectful of others, they toss you out. There was a sudden influx at Beehaw of crowded ships from the ports of Lemmy.World and sh.itjust.works, both ports with less restrictive, more wild west attitudes. They found that their sheriffs were spending all their time tossing people who came from ships with one of those two flags, so they decided not to let those ships dock at their port anymore, or let their ships dock at those ports, for now.
Because echo chamber is awesome. When you say something, no one will disagree with you.
When you have a group that don’t respect the rules and you don’t want to lower yourself to their level of discussion, you cut them out. Why would they be tolerated? And who is at fault here? The people wanting civility or the trolls causing issues? Why are you blaming the people defending themselves?
Cutting the entire world out when there are a few bad guys out there is a stretch. For one troll there are ten meaningfully discussions.
“Liberals” that want the entire instance moderated by only 5 people - managing all user registrations, community creation and the moderation of every post and comment on every community.
It’s crazy. We left Reddit to get away from powermods and admins.
I personally think you have the wrong mindset. Each Lemmy instance is started with a certain vision in mind, and it’s fine - great even - that they differ. No one is confined to an instance; you can move to another if the one you’re on doesn’t work for you.
So if the mods of Beehaw think it’s best to shut out certain other instances, that’s fine. I’ve seen posts by a number of people there saying they agree with the decision. People that don’t can find a different instance. And, unlike Reddit, that doesn’t mean finding a whole new site or app, it’s just a new home port on the same trade route.
I don’t know how “Liberal” came to be synonymous with fragile snowflake. People have been misusing the word for ages … especially in the US. The original Liberal (and I’m proud to claim to be one) puts free speech front and center of their world view. It’s the cornerstone of democracy. And free speech also means the freedom to offend … it’s a price well worth paying.
It’s been explicitly clear that beehaw’s very few moderators would protect their users from bigots spreading hate online. It sucks that better defederation options don’t exist yet within the platform but to boil down to softy liberals is so lazy and part of the problem.
The problem is the bigots are so stupid and deluded that they don’t perceive their actions as hate, but rather justified politically motivated actions. Then they turn around and misconstrue their hate as protected speech or political protest. They’re too dumb or willfully ignorant to even comprehend the difference between hate and healthy discourse.
Good example! This is exactly the type of low effort, high judgement user they probably want to avoid.
They circled their wagons due a perceived threat to a small population of their user base, of which they feel is their responsibility to protect.
I constantly shit on Beehaw, however I can’t blame them for this. There is a huge influx of random people joining all these federated sites and high potential for pieces of shit coming in to troll sensitive individuals.
Now im sitting here wondering if I offended anyone over there lol. It’s hard to imagine, but since I’ve seen no bad actors myself, I’m starting to think that it’s possible I did, unknowingly, with zero intent to do so, and they just have a really strict thing going on. I doubt it’s the case, or I hope not at least.
Doubtful you offended anyone. I think beehaw was seeing serious things like child porn and anti-LGBT posts, and traced them back to lemmy.world or the other one.
Yea I got in the habit of ignoring my inbox on reddit due to anxiety.
I am making an effort to be mindful, and honest, and I’ve been checking my inbox!
Now I just have anxiety about me saying “too much” as far as personal experiences, and emotions etc.
Either way I figure if I’m honest, and people hate, f em.
It isn’t the case.
The first problem was actual trolls using were using lemmy.world’s open and automated registration (beehaw makes you write why you want to join and manually approves registrations based on that) to troll Beehaw.
The second problem was that the moderation tools aren’t mature enough yet to deal with problem one with anything between manually banning every troll (which will immediately come back by creating another lemmy.world account) and total defederation from the instances most of those trolls are coming from.
Because Beehaw’s mission statement is to be a safe space, it was decided to go with the defederation option.
However, the defederation isn’t planned to be permanent. Improvements in mod tools and/or maturing of communities are said to be reasons to refederate again.
Edit: spelling
No it wasn’t you. There were a couple of accounts that went in and spammed a whole bunch of bigoted posts.
