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63 points

Someone just told me that it “labels everything short of fascism as ‘left-leaning’” and “tries to shift the Overton window” even further right than it already is in the US.

And I suppose that is correct if your idea of the spectrum of normal political opinions is restricted to what you see on Lemmy, especially if your instance hasn’t defederated from Hexbear yet.

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95 points

And yet ultimately, MBFC places their center – by their own admission – based on US politics, which is decidedly right of center within the developed world.

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That’s correct. It’s intended for a US audience.

If it were based on the European Overton window and you were American then there’s a good chance you would complain about its centre being centre-left for you.

It’s not wrong; you’re just not in the intended audience.

It’s not really possible to give internationally correct ratings. What an American considers centre-left is different from what a Frenchman considers centre-left, which is different from what a Pole considers centre-left. You can only report one, and the other two will then complain about it being wrong from their perspective.

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58 points

It should then refrain from from posting on non US-media sources and/or stories and/or communities.

Of course it won’t. It’s purpose is to promote it’s owners US-centric political window.

It’s spamming political propaganda ,dressing it up as ‘facts’, and it’s getting it’s just deserts.

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36 points

There is no need for regional tone in a “fact checker” bot. Facts are not regional. There is need for political education in the united states so that right wing things are considered right wing things again and not center positions. Respectively, anything leftist isnt communism.

Truthfully the bot gets voted down because it furthers a Zionist agenda, same as the lemmy world administration by pushing it, and many less biased instances and user groups take offense with that.

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14 points

This needs to die in a fire. It’s not the US Overton window. You can see that by far right sources listed as right center. Like the Ayn Rand Institute.

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11 points

So the bias bot is biased, dammit

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Where anyone puts the “center” of the political spectrum is arbitrary and ultimately irrelevant. What we should still be able to expect is that it gets the ordering of sources correct—i.e., it doesn’t label Source A as being to the left of Source B if it’s actually to the right. And that relative ordering is still useful, as long as we bear in mind that the actual labels are otherwise arbitrary.

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38 points

They (MBFC) explicitly state that they rate sources as more credible the closer the sources are to their arbitrarily selected centre.

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Which is ridiculous. If Democracy Now or ProPublica take great pains to get all their facts right (which they do), and the New York Post regularly outright makes shit up, they’re marked as equally reliable based on that metric, because they’re supposedly an equal distance away from the centre.

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6 points

It puts Reuters as the center and that seems pretty accurate, IMO.

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3 points

Non-US politics is more complicated than “left vs right”.

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Definitely—so sources that are close together when projected onto a left-right axis may be far apart in a more multidimensional political space. But the relative ordering along that axis can still be accurate, even if the implied proximity isn’t.

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US politics is too.

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