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Lol how about every pirate who fundamentally opposes the copyright system?

How about everyone who uses Google and doesn’t want to see it shut down for scraping copyrighted content to provide a search engine?

Seriously, explain to me what’s different at a fundamental level about OpenAI scraping the web and transforming the data through an LLM and Google scraping the web and transforming the data through their algorithms (which include LLMs)?

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Google (used to) scrapes the specific details authorized by robots.txt and uses it to make your content visible.

OpenAI scrapes everything it can technically see, ignoring robots.txt and feeds i to a black box and regurgitates it claiming it’s something new, that it deserves to be paid for.

Quite different actually.

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So if OpenAI complies with Robots.txt files then there’s no issue right?

Because then they’re identical. Open AI spent a bunch of money building a powerful system they feed those results to, as did Google.

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Web search used to be about scraping the web to find and present other people’s work as just that… their work. Now the handful of websites claim ownership of the contributions of everyone, and at this point it’s just corporations arguing about who owns your stuff. Pirates will not win out in this argument, except maybe in the very short term.

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I dont see why why being downvoted you make some very good points.

Id actually like to see google shut down on copyright grounds. The innovation of necessity would drive foss search alternatives that just ignore said restrictions and most likly we would end up with a better product.

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I appreciate the defense of the blind downvotes, though I can’t say I necessarily see how Foss search engines would even be allowed to exist in that case?

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There is a difference between allowed and what people do. Piracy isnt allowed u can still pirate literally anything if u want to tho.

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Search engines provide source, they scrap for indexing, but your search gives a list of websites that matches that you will then likely visit. That’s a big fundamental difference.

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Google doesn’t sell the search engine as a product.

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Yes they do, just indirectly, it’s how they monopolized the online advertising business.

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