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I never said there was “no way to prevent this” I’m saying there is a fucking shitload we need to do to prevent this and gun control, in whatever form it takes is going to be only a piece of the puzzle.

And no shit, does getting rid of guns get rid of guns violence. You aren’t spouting something revolutionary.

I’m not even against gun control. I’m against the knee jerk reactionary bullshit and narrow viewpoint of anti-gun individuals that don’t want to engage in any serious discussion of HOW to enact gun control other than take away guns.

I’m not a gun nut, and that’s just a rude thing to say. It’s divisive, insulting, and worst of all, it means you’ve already made an opinion and written off anything that I may say.

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Yeah as close as this country is to civil war, anyone coming for guns will be met with the wrong end of said guns. It would create all out war here.

There are more guns than people in this country, I don’t see any way to reverse that statistic without further, much more massive and widespread bloodshed.

Other countries are like “we don’t have guns its the obvious solution”. Sure. But your entire culture isn’t predicated on the idea things like gun ownership is considered an inalienable right that can and should be defended with said guns.

I’m all for making things better but I don’t see guaranteed civil war as the best choice here.

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Yeah this is the exact type of bullshit I was talking about.

Australia had a very strong gun culture as well. Then Port Arthur happened.

They had a voluntary buyback program and got back what would be the equivalent of about 12 million guns with the current US population.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/opinion/australia-banned-assault-weapons-america-can-too.html

Like I said and I’ll keep saying, people opposing gun control have literally nothing but wanna-be-gotcha shitty indirect NRA propaganda. Of which “no but it wouldn’t work here in the country which is the only country which can’t seem to figure out gun control, because it doesn’t try it, because our country has people who like guns and I’m sure no-one else ever has”.

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Yeah I don’t buy it.

Gun buybacks here have been tried probably thousands of times, on smaller scales than at a federal level. They don’t work. They get a few shitty actual guns and there’s even memes around people making zip guns for $5 and turning them in to collect whatever money is offered.

What would undeniably happen is that much of the left here would turn in some of their guns and the vast majority of the right would snicker at the “libtards gibbin up dere freedums” while they buy more guns.

This isn’t Australia, though that sounds like a wonderful place to live.

Also lol @ a 12 million gun “equivalency” when the US has like 320 million people and even more guns.

Let’s math:

Assuming only 1 gun per person, which is laughably low,

12m/320m = 0.0375 or 3.75% of guns

Congrats you’ve collected nearly 4% of the problem from people who were not the problem. Were they the problem, they’d have kept their guns.

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I’m tired of people pretending they’re for gun regulation while they’re pretending “it’s only a small part of the puzzle”.

Like honestly, you feel gobsmacked in how you can have such high gun violence rates with similar mental health issues as countries which do have proper gun control and for some reason don’t the issues that the US does.

It’s purely about gun regulation ffs. Oh no, am I being insulting to someone who doesn’t think gun control would really help. Someone who pretends mental health program would do more.

Fucking ridiculous man.

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