Comment by Dkarma@lemmy.world on Democrats be like

This is getting old and isn’t effective when the only other option according to the US voting system is trump.

Harris is Palestines best bet at continued existence. Sorry if that hurts your feelings or something…

Harris is Palestines best bet at continued existence. Sorry if that hurts your feelings or something…

continued existence is going to happen one way or the other. isreal is going for an american style genocide which means kill enough of the natives so that they’re a small, manageable enough number and then your country can spend the rest of its existence throwing enough $$$ at their reservations to ostensibly show you’re “super sorry” that you genocided so many of them; but not enough to for them to ever escape this newly imposed generational poverty and also without any promise that your country won’t ever fuck them over again in the future when another pipeline needs to be built.

“Hold your nose and vote genocide”.

Rather than rewarding genociders, might I suggest opposing them? I was told this was the worst crime, but apparently it isn’t as bad as not voting for it.

If you’d like to do electoral math, being an automatic lever pull means you have no leverage. And if your conception of electoralism is to cheerlead and support top-down dictates, you’re actively disempowering yourself.

But personally, I don’t think it should require game theory to not vote for any pro-genocide candidate. Demand better or be complicit. I certainly won’t forget this depravity.

Better just to let democracy burn down. Can’t save one nation so let ours fall and have no chance to right the ship. Yeah that makes sense.

What democracy? Isn’t your argument that you have no choice but to genocide? Isn’t your argument that you can never use your vote as leverage to demand what you want?

The strategy portion of what I listed is how you could attempt to be democratic rather than genocide candidate cheerleaders.

Jesus, why am I even wasting my time. I’ve voted in local elections, I’ve seen laws get passed by voters. That is how democracy works. You’re extreme view of “we can only vote for bad people” is beyond childish. The world is a fucked up place, we don’t always have the choices we would want. But saying some stupid shit like America isn’t a democracy is just ignorant and shows that you have no idea how or what a government is, let along are you equipped to have a conversation about it.

They want trump, really, really want trump.

And they don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling donut if everyone else hurts, as long as they get their way on it.

Harris is Palestines best bet at continued existence.

She has promised to never cease sending bombs to Israel for it to “defend itself.”

Do you think Trump would cease sending bombs? I don’t think he’s any better, and in fact would probably send more. We can protest once she actually does it which might be effective, unlike with Trump who would view the protesters as the enemy.

Nope, I believe that, like Harris, he will continue to uphold bipartisan US foreign policy, and maintain the current flow of bombs to Israel.

Painting Harris as “Palestine’s best hope for continued existence” is monstrous and downplays her already active support for continuing the genocide, it reads as you trying to pre-emptively absolve yourself of guilt for voting for her.

So you see we’re between a rock and hard place, yet you’re focused on landing on a pillow.

That’s not going to happen. The hard place is gunna suck and hurt but the rock has sharp edges and will hurt more.

Trump has full on said he is going to be a dictator and that people won’t have to vote anymore. With Harris we still have a voice and vote, with Trump democracy is at risk.

Acting like she isn’t the best chance to even have a shot at fixing things is naive.

America isn’t a democracy, never was.

Additionally, if Trump has the ability to take away your right to vote if he takes office, he has the ability to take it away even if he doesn’t, you can’t politely vote fascism away.

Ok, so no one should vote. Laws don’t matter. Nothing is real.

Wait, so you’re saying he has the same power to effect laws as president as he does as citizen? That’s just very wrong… You know plenty of dictators were voted in at some point right? A history lesson might serve you well.

Point me in the direction of your preferred candidate then.

If I could pick anyone, it would be Claudia De La Crúz, but even if I vote for her she won’t win. I just want Liberals to stop pretending that voting for Harris will cease the genocide, because it won’t, and it’s monstrous to suggest otherwise.

Yep, you’re right that she wouldn’t win and you would be propping up Trump by voting for her. I don’t see any “liberals” saying she’ll stop the genocide, either. I only see you bringing up that point in this thread.

Where did I say that she was “Palenstine’s best hope for continued existence”? I said nothing of the sort, so thanks for putting words in my mouth. The truth of the matter is that the US will always send Israel bombs, but one candidate will do it more than the other. Palestine is fucked either way, unfortunately.

Third parties will not win, Trump will not be any better for Palestine than Kamala, and Kamala at least has better domestic policy anyway. I don’t feel guilty for voting for her when the other candidate literally wants me any my queer friends dead, along with Palestine. Sorry, not sorry.

Where did I say that she was “Palenstine’s best hope for continued existence”?

Didn’t realize you were a different person from the original commenter I was talking to. Speaking of, it’s helpful for people to have profile pics for that reason.

The truth of the matter is that the US will always send Israel bombs, but one candidate will do it more than the other.

How will one candidate do it more than the other? Is Trump going to build bombs himself? This is a bipartisan effort.

Third parties will not win, Trump will not be any better for Palestine than Kamala,

Correct, and Kamala will not be any better for Palestine than Trump, and pretending otherwise is monstrous.

I don’t feel guilty for voting for her when the other candidate literally wants me any my queer friends dead, along with Palestine. Sorry, not sorry.

Vote for whoever you want, just don’t pretend your vote for Harris is helping Palestinians. The US is dedicated to genocide either way.

“I didn’t realize I was talking to somebody else. But it shout fault for not being easily recognizable beyond the different name above your words.”

I’m not going to upload a profile picture so that you can avoid reading.

Trump will give the military industrial complex more money. Look at what you’re doing now, you’re literally defending Trump. That’s a huge red flag, and you should maybe look at yourself and see why you are now defending him.

Did I say my vote would help Palenstine? No. I said it would keep the status quo, and that if Trump was elected it would only accelerate the genocide and also hurt myself and my queer friends. Are you a single issue voter?

Our two options are Trump or Kamala. There’s no chance a third party will win (by design). So, of those two, I definitely know who I’m voting for.

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