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-11 points

Do they really think the genocide would stop if the US stopped supporting Israel? Are they really that ignorant of the situation over there?

Here’s a hint, all indications are that it would make things much, much worse. If you don’t understand how, then you haven’t been paying attention.

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What kind of argument is this? “We gotta keep supporting genocide, or there will be more genocide” You aren’t paying attention if you don’t think this situation is horrendously bad and the people supporting it are monsters.

Anyway, here’s a picture of a US supplied bomb that killed 45 people at a refugee camp in Rafah.

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Yes the US is supplying precision strike weapons, you know what Israel will do if they no longer have precision strike weapons? The answer is not give up and go home. It has been almost a year since the war started and casualties are at 40k. For a heavily populated urban environment that’s actually quite low because Israel uses precision strike weapons.

The US is the only country that has even a chance of bringing Israel to the table for ceasefire talks. There is literally no one else they will listen to. If the US withdraws support, that goes away.

If the US withdraws support, Iran invades. They’ve been pretty clear on that point, and a full scale war will only lead to vastly increased numbers of civilian deaths.

These things should not have to be pointed out. I get that people feel helpless, but the genocide doesn’t stop if the US withdraws support. It only gets worse.

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Yeah how are those ceasefire talks going?

There are a ton of things the US could do than just providing unconditional military aid to be used on Palestinian civilians that doesn’t result in Iran invading. At the absolute bare minimum enforce their own “red lines.” Precision strike weapons are pointless if they’re just used for indescriminate bombing.

You’re talking down to me as if you know the objective facts, but there are in fact things the US could do to stop this that they are actively choosing not to do. There are more conditions on weapons going to Ukraine than to Israel. It’s disgusting and apologists for it are disgusting.

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Because doing nothing about it is any better? Lol

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Have the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, the courage to change the things you can, and wisdom to know the difference.

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You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion.

We’re just hitting the “random Bible verse” button right? Because speaking out against injustice is something that one can control. I can’t stop the injustice, but I can sure as hell make sure everyone knows that I think it’s shitty, and I can hope they will eventually stop being shitty.

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Here’s a hint, all indications are that it would make things much, much worse.

It absolutely would, and Israel knows that too. So if there were a real threat of “take it down a notch or US support stops” I’m guessing that might influence Israel. But there is no such threat, they will continue to receive our unconditional support no matter what, and so it will continue until Netanyahu gets tired.

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There have been more casualties in Ukraine this year than in Gaza.

People are just being told it’s a genocide to upset them and to make them feel a sense of urgency to do something now. And probably to get Hamas some more money so they can drag this conflict out longer (which results in more casualties).

People are being fed a constant stream of images and stories to keep them angry without a moment to think. Now it’s starting to feel like people want there to be a genocide to prove their accusations were right.

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There have been more casualties in Ukraine this year than in Gaza.

Ukraine’s population is 36M. Gaza’s, a bit over 2M. So comparing rates rather than absolute numbers might be less bad.

But it’s also a bad idea to get into contests about which catastrophe is worse, when both are appalling crimes against humanity committed by imperialist/colonialist nationalist aggressors.

And what’s happening in Sudan is even larger-scale.

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It’s a genocide. They are taking their sweet time about it. It will take a few generations rather than a few years or weeks or months, but the end goal is clear, no more Palestinians in Palestine. it’s been a genocide since the 2 state solution was abandoned.

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The 2-state solution was never viable. The power asymmetry is too great.

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