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30 points

Are they not as reliable?

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They’re actually more reliable and money saved on gas and maintenance is much more than the price of changing the battery every 10 years.

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I mean, depends on the car you have. Outside of purchasing the vehicle, I haven’t spent 15k in the last decade of car ownership and that’s in AUD, so like 10k us. Pretty sure a new battery could cost more than that. Definitely the case for some though, especially if you have cheap electricity.

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Why would you worry about the battery when it has a 8-10y warranty on it on average? The only reason to replace it is if it has a manufacturing problem and that’s why there’s a warranty. Don’t void the warranty and you’ll be fine.

You don’t have to change the high voltage battery on EV nowadays.

Source: I own a Polestar 2.

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Gas + maintenance, you haven’t spent 15k? I call bullshit unless you drive so little that you don’t really need a car in the first place…

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The only issue I’ve ever had with my Ioniq 5 in 2 years was running over a screw and had to get the tire sealed. There is no oil to change, so the only regular maintenance is free tire rotations at the dealer.

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It is a relatively new car though, if anything severely broke on it you’d probably be pretty upset, same with a new ice car. You probably have cabin air filters that should be changed at some point, but that isn’t different to an equivalent ice car anyway. At least for EVs in my country, maintenance seems to be about 2/5ths the cost of an ice car, or at least of the ice cars i’ve owned. If you have solar or live somewhere with cheap electricity compared to fuel it’s probably saving a respectable amount.

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There’s nothing major to break.

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That doesn’t say they are unreliable, just that the tech that isn’t the basic car function is utter garbage a lot of the time. Can’t really disagree with that, fuck off with screens bigger than my laptop and give me my damn buttons back.

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Well, the range part of the equation isn’t. A fuel tank doesn’t get smaller over time, and you can replace one fairly easily. Batteries die over time, and can’t be replaced easily.

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Doesn’t fuel efficiency go down, though? I’d say that’s roughly equivalent to the battery losing effectiveness. And generally requires fixing or outright replacing key components to get back to par.

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-9 points

Not to 80% in a few years

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They aren’t that hard, just no one wants to actually do it. Harder than a fuel tank and requires actual training, for sure, but it isn’t that hard for a trained person. I’ve seen reports of batteries actually doing fairly well, although I suspect that’s brand dependant, the Nissan leaf got a pretty bad rep for being hot trash. Literally, I think the issue was a passive cooled battery just degrading it at absurd rates.

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That was 1st generation Nissan Leafs. The 2nd generation ones are good.

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You drain it, unbolt 2 straps, pull the pump, and then put the pump in the new tank, and replace the tank. You might even get lucky and not have to undo any fuel hoses.

With skateboard designs, like all Teslas, you have to remove the entire interior.

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