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68 points

Literal free goddamn energy from the sky and these greedy fucks are going to burn the world down because they can’t flip it for a buck

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It sounds dumb, but because you can’t turn off solar power, if it produces more then you need, you have to use it somehow or it can damage equipment. Hence the driving prices into negative territory. It’s a technical problem more than it is a financial one.

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It is a financial problem. Technically you can just cover the solar panels. But that’s not good financially.

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Your “technically you can” is actually a huge logistical nightmare to implement.

Having electricity rates go really low is intended to incentivize people or companies to sink the excess energy to wherever they can. And also to discourage producers to produce more at that hour, if they are able to.

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Afaik photovoltaics are fine running open circuit, i.e., disconnecting them. Thermal solar, and wind, are (I think) much trickier (but covering things for solar thermal, like you suggest, is perhaps feasible).

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“Damaging equipment” is just nonsense. I’ve got an off-grid solar system. When the battery is fully charged the solar panels simply stops producing. It has potential (voltage) but no current until you draw power. Just like a battery is full of energy but it just sits there until you draw power from it.

All solar systems could have smart switches to intelligently disconnect from the grid as needed, some inverter already do this automatically. So it’s not a technical problem. It’s a political problem.

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11 points

This can cause degradation of the PN junction on the panel shortening life. The plans I’ve seen all have a resistive heater some place to dump the excess when full. Smart equipment does help mitigate most issues like moving the resistance point on the panel for lower efficiency when signaled to do so but less is not the same as none.

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3 points

Concentrated solar and wind are a bit different though?

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It is a technical problem of how can you convince electrical companies to overcome a problem they have no financial incentive to solve.

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that’s not a technical problem. that’s a weakness of the people’s resolve problem. we can, at any time, force them to do the right thing.

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5 points

Factorio players: hold my beer

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3 points

Sounds like energy companies or independent entities should invest in energy storage so they can get paid to draw from the grid.

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But then you’ve got cities like Morro Bay, CA that are trying to stop a plan to replace a coal plant with a battery storage facility because batteries are supposedly dangerous.

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Can they not route excess electricity into the ground?

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No, unfortunately, you can’t.

Ground doesn’t typically dissipate power, rather, power is dissipated in the circuit/load — so if you just hook a wire to ground, you’re dumping gobs of power into the wire. If you do this in your home (DON’T), best case it will trip the breaker, worst case it will melt and catch something on fire.

It’s easy enough to burn a kilowatt — just boil some water. But it’s entirely something else to burn megawatt, or yikes, gigawatt scale power.

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Didnt Nikola Tesla try to sell Westinghouse on providing free unmetered electricity to everyone on earth and got laughed out of the room?

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Yes, because Westinghouse was running a business.

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2 points

you know we could just put our collective foot down and take the power away from them.

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