What about Ukraine?

First, under no circumstances should you support genocide. Stop trying to excuse genocide. Actually fight against it. You know that question, “what would you have done against the Holocaust?” Right now it would be, “fret about which Hitler to support and make excuses about how Jewish people would be killed anyways”.

Anyways.

The Biden-Harris administration’s policies on Ukraine are exacting maximum pain on the people of Ukraine, using them as a tool to hurt Russia. At every step of the way, only maximum pressure on Russia has been their consideration. So either accept that the most likely outcome of Trump there would be a deescalation or acknowledge that the motivation here is bloodlust.

Trump will hand over everyone in that country

Ukraine already lost. Its future has been mortgaged to western financial interests and it will not be regaining its lost territories. The people therr have been shelled by Kyiv’s far right forces (the ones with Nazi tattoos) for a decade, they aren’t sympathetic to Kyiv even if some territory were, under wild circumstances, returned. It was never plausible for Ukraine to win militarily. All of liberals’ talk about Ukraine is fantasy children’s tales that have nothing to do with reality.

Dragging out Ukraine is just forcing more death and disposession on the Ukrainian people.

while speeding up climate change with “drill baby drill”.

The Biden-Harris administration has set record levels of US fossil fuel production and is an exporter of oil and natural gas. Harris has publicly promised to support fracking, a tool that, when novel, Obama used as an international weapon to crash oil prices and hit targets of US empire - Venezuela, Russia, Iran.

Both parties are against the continued survival of humanity re: climate change, one of them just pretends otherwise, throwing money at a domestic renewables industry that largely just routes it to finance and tech rather than produxtive capacity. Oh, and continuing Trump’s trade war on China, which is currently threatening to end large swaths of the US solar industry as installations of new solar panels are waaaaay backed up.

As the world becomes less livable, more wars and genocide will fallow.

So get off your butt and start fighting the good fight! Cheerleading genocidal frackers definitely isn’t that.

I understand it is very unfortunate that I answered your ridiculous, non sensical statements and sentence by sentence at that. I’ve honestly never seen arguments making so little sense by a democrat and I’ve argued with a lot. Also the gaslighting goes craaazy once again. But it’s literally impossible to answer to what I say, what you said is just undefendable - from the fact that Harris is now 100% with Zionists, but she will magically stand up when all the lobbies will pressure her to take decisions for them and people will have no say, to how she can do nothing to stop this or express strong disagreement as vice president, or to how you ignore anything she’s ever said, having the exact same rhetoric as Biden, Blinken etc, backing the genocidal maniacs.

So now you resort to the most common argument about Trump, saying that everything I said can be applied to him, which is really funny. It’s as if I ever said he will be any better. There’s a serious lack of meaningful arguments here. See, ignoring the strawman, the problem with this lesser evil argument, is that there is always a red line beyond which both parties are indistinguishable(think if you had to choose between Hitler and Hitler that handed out a hundred bucks per month as allowance). Both parties cause so much pain, suffering and harm to the world, not just the middle east, and they are so far away from anything I and a lot of people would find even remotely satisfactory, that it’s ridiculous to vote for them. Both are moving to the exact opposite direction to my ideals and aggressively so. Their differences are literally miniscule.

There is necessarily a point where the lesser evil doesn’t hold, for everyone. Our difference is that you are not at that point yet. Your ideals and criteria are different and frankly you don’t care about the Palestinians that much supporting a genocide perpetrator, you don’t care enough to vote third party or not vote.

Cause she is a Zionist, genocide perpetrator and that’s a given(Biden is even bragging multiple times about how no one has helped Israel as much as his cabinet ever - and he’s right), nobody denies that besides people like you who are tasked with convincing the left wing to vote for your stupid party.

It’s sad and disgusting to me to have to explain myself on how the democrats go against my and the people’s interests and I can’t continue discussing this with you. I’m obviously talking through you, you don’t come for arguments, you come to make me vote for your abomination of a party. You know what they say, you can’t make someone understand something, when it’s in their direct interest to not understand it. Have a nice day

Man doesn’t understand rules for rulers.