Apple has deployed a system called Private Access Tokens that allows web servers to verify if a device is legitimate before granting access. This works by having the browser request a signed token from Apple proving the device is approved. While this currently has limited impact due to Safari’s market share, there are concerns that attestation systems restrict competition, user control, and innovation by only approving certain devices and software. Attestation could lead to approved providers tightening rules over time, blocking modified operating systems and browsers. While proponents argue for holdbacks to limit blocking, business pressures may make that infeasible and Google’s existing attestation does not do holdbacks. Fundamentally, attestation is seen as anti-competitive by potentially blocking competition between browsers and operating systems on the web.
Honestly, if you’re telling people to run their own email host, you’re either trolling or a moron.
Yeah, because not only is it viable, they absolutely never get blocked! lol
Every time I’ve ever looked into it or read anything on the topic it’s been like “do not do this. I lost my father, my children, two wives, and all my Pokemon cards in this endeavour, but in case you don’t want to listen, here’s how I partially successfully hosted my own email server for three months…”
Run your own email like people should?
This hasn’t been practical for a while now. If you’re not on a major domain, Google, MS, etc will block you as likely spam.
Cannot confirm, somewhat. Setting it up so you don’t get blocked is rather easy, figuring out how to do that correctly is a bit of a pain though (I only managed to correctly set things up once I started using Mailcow and their built in DNS check tool)
The domain still lands on some blacklists but that is down to one ISP blanket banning any mail servers in the IP block my ISP rotates my IP through.
Change your email provider? Run your own email like people should?
This isn’t a practical suggestion for the vast majority of the population.
I have both my own email server and an additional paid email provider. not expensive and has very nice functionality in terms of sync, aliases, etc.
If they now said I needed some 3rd party bullshit to access their site, I would quit paying them. There are tons of these smaller businesses.
I doubt they will just be like “oh well, guess i’ll die, Daddy Google said so”
What i’m saying is, it doesn’t have to be google OR become a tech wizard. There is a middle path that just costs a dollar.
It’s pretty shitty for a company to force someone to use a phone app or go to something as vital as a bank just because they won’t let the customer access the website. And there are plenty of reasons why someone wouldn’t be able to go to the bank in person every time they needed to, or at least it’d be extremely inconvenient to (especially for small things like checking your balance or transactions). Not everyone has a phone either.
Change your email provider? Run your own email like people should?
I’ve never deleted my email before but I’m pretty sure that means losing access to your entire inbox that you’ve likely had for years and having to update your contacts, the emails for all the accounts you have under it, etc. And being blocked from the website means you won’t be able to do any of those things through the official website. Does device atteststion prevent you from accessing your email through third party clients?
Also, it’s not exactly easy or practical to host your own email. And for many people that would mean spending money on servers. I read a blog post last year of someone who gave up hosting their own email after 23 years doing so.
And how the fuck is a phone app an alternative for avoiding attestation??? A phone app is inherently attested by being distributed through the app store.
On a rooted phone, they can still fail attestation, apparently. That’s why Magisk Hide (or whatever it’s called) became a thing, to hide that the device is rooted. Google Pay also apparently needs Magisk Hide to function.
I don’t trust my phone to store my payment details, so I don’t care about Google Pay, and my bank’s app works fine while rooted, so I don’t have any personal experience with it, just what I’ve seen in every single root guide I’ve used in at least the last 4 years (if not longer; I don’t remember how I rooted my previous phone.)
Who the fuck goes into a bank in this day and age?
Shit most branches I see are closing down.
This is true. However, I don’t see this happening as the website/browser isn’t really the problem with online banking, it’s more often the user.
On another note, how about no access at all, because this is a freaking huge attack surface for (D)DOS. Imagine you just invalidate signatures of all traffic to and from an attestation service. You could almost stop countries from functioning. That’s a serious vulnerability which we can easily do without.
I rarely do, but when I do it’s for something a bit specific, like ordering/depositing foreign currency (for travel) or depositing large checks that exceed the online deposit limit (which again is extremely rare). For everything else, it’s online only, especially since every time I go in, there’s only one teller working and the line is super long.
There’s no need to be so nasty, friend. I’m removing your comment because this isn’t the in line with our community value of ‘be(e) nice’
For most services you will be referred to the web or app. Also you pretty much can’t insert cash to your account anymore
Use the phone app
Jokes on you. It refuses to work as my phone configuration is not approved by our corporate overlords. And yeah, obviously you can go to the bank at any moment, there are no times whatsoever when you need to do something right now, without lets say leaving the cash register at the shop
